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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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| When the elevator stops and the door opens I do look up to see who is there. I mean I don't glare at whoever is there. But when the door opens and the person doesn't move it causes me to look more inqusitively because something might be wrong. |
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Forward Observer
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Location: FOB Gloria
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:23 am Post subject: |
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When the elevator door opens, I usually am hitting the close button as fast as I can, hoping the people waiting for it are distracted. I'm usually successful 50% of the time.  |
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lsrupert
Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Oh, c'mon now. I'm a white woman, and have chosen to not get in an elevator with Koreans before, and it had nothing to do with their nationality/looks/gender/scent/etc. I just like my personal space, and didn't want to get in with them. I would rather take the stairs at times than share. Yet, at other times, I will push in and join the crowd. Don't immediately jump to the conclusion that it has something to do with the fact that you are a foreigner. Unless this happens every time that you are on an elevator. In that case, I'm thinking that maybe it's just you. Might not have anything to do with your skin color.  |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| lsrupert wrote: |
| Oh, c'mon now. I'm a white woman, and have chosen to not get in an elevator with Koreans before, and it had nothing to do with their nationality/looks/gender/scent/etc. I just like my personal space, and didn't want to get in with them. I would rather take the stairs at times than share. Yet, at other times, I will push in and join the crowd. Don't immediately jump to the conclusion that it has something to do with the fact that you are a foreigner. Unless this happens every time that you are on an elevator. In that case, I'm thinking that maybe it's just you. Might not have anything to do with your skin color. |
oh c'mon now?
I can direct the same question towards YOU 
how long have you been here? Koreans do not care about the concept of personal space (the way we think of it) . Any trip to a supermarket, or subway or mountain will quickly convince you of this fact.
I've seen this happen ocassionally to me, though not often, where a Korean had a chance to sit closer to me where there were more seats/space, yet stopped looked around, glanced at me, then went back to the more "crowded" area, further away from me to sit with the fellow pureblooded Han race.
I just snicker when I see it. I'm not the one reeking of kimchi and soju. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Cerberus wrote: |
| lsrupert wrote: |
| Oh, c'mon now. I'm a white woman, and have chosen to not get in an elevator with Koreans before, and it had nothing to do with their nationality/looks/gender/scent/etc. I just like my personal space, and didn't want to get in with them. I would rather take the stairs at times than share. Yet, at other times, I will push in and join the crowd. Don't immediately jump to the conclusion that it has something to do with the fact that you are a foreigner. Unless this happens every time that you are on an elevator. In that case, I'm thinking that maybe it's just you. Might not have anything to do with your skin color. |
oh c'mon now?
I can direct the same question towards YOU
how long have you been here? Koreans do not care about the concept of personal space (the way we think of it) . Any trip to a supermarket, or subway or mountain will quickly convince you of this fact.
I've seen this happen ocassionally to me, though not often, where a Korean had a chance to sit closer to me where there were more seats/space, yet stopped looked around, glanced at me, then went back to the more "crowded" area, further away from me to sit with the fellow pureblooded Han race.
I just snicker when I see it. I'm not the one reeking of kimchi and soju. |
Reminds me of people back home locking their car doors whenever a black guy would walk in front of them across the street.
I guess the folks back home just wanted to "stick with their own" too. I guess that was all rooted in concepts of Volkishness. |
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seoulsister
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Location: International Network
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:25 am Post subject: |
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me: "annyeonghashimnika"
her: "wa! waegugin imnida. i want to have sex with you even though i have a boyfriend"
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Old Gil |
What that means is 'I am a foreigner'. What she would be saying is 'waegugin ida' |
That's not true, I hear it all the time. |
LOL, No you don't - not unless your 외국인 친구들 are saying it.
"외국인이다" = There's a/ It's a/ That's a foreigner.
"외국인 입니다" = I'm a foreigner. |
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Css
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| seoulsister wrote: |
| Old Gil wrote: |
| GreenlightmeansGO wrote: |
| Old Gil wrote: |
me: "annyeonghashimnika"
her: "wa! waegugin imnida. i want to have sex with you even though i have a boyfriend"
me:
Old Gil |
What that means is 'I am a foreigner'. What she would be saying is 'waegugin ida' |
That's not true, I hear it all the time. |
LOL, No you don't - not unless your 외국인 친구들 are saying it.
"외국인이다" = There's a/ It's a/ That's a foreigner.
"외국인 입니다" = I'm a foreigner. |
입니다 is just the polite formal way of conjugating the verb 이다.
V + (으)ㅂ니다
이다 is the verb to be. If i say 저것은 책상입니다 it means that thing is a desk. It does not mean I am a desk. It is simply the verb to be. It is a desk. It is a foreigner. In order to say I am a foreigner, you need to add the I to the verb 이다.. 저는 외국인입니다
Ive heard both 외국인입니다 and 외국인이다..but they mean the same thing. Ive also heard 외국인 있다 which means theres a foreigner. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Cerberus wrote: |
| lsrupert wrote: |
| Oh, c'mon now. I'm a white woman, and have chosen to not get in an elevator with Koreans before, and it had nothing to do with their nationality/looks/gender/scent/etc. I just like my personal space, and didn't want to get in with them. I would rather take the stairs at times than share. Yet, at other times, I will push in and join the crowd. Don't immediately jump to the conclusion that it has something to do with the fact that you are a foreigner. Unless this happens every time that you are on an elevator. In that case, I'm thinking that maybe it's just you. Might not have anything to do with your skin color. |
oh c'mon now?
I can direct the same question towards YOU
how long have you been here? Koreans do not care about the concept of personal space (the way we think of it) . Any trip to a supermarket, or subway or mountain will quickly convince you of this fact.
I've seen this happen ocassionally to me, though not often, where a Korean had a chance to sit closer to me where there were more seats/space, yet stopped looked around, glanced at me, then went back to the more "crowded" area, further away from me to sit with the fellow pureblooded Han race.
I just snicker when I see it. I'm not the one reeking of kimchi and soju. |
Reminds me of people back home locking their car doors whenever a black guy would walk in front of them across the street.
I guess the folks back home just wanted to "stick with their own" too. I guess that was all rooted in concepts of Volkishness. |
ignorant fools and racists certainly aren't unique to the Korean peninsula.
In fact, it's truly scary how many rednecks and white trash live stateside.
Thing is though, social norms now make such behavior more difficult to pull off (at least in non red states) |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Cerberus wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Cerberus wrote: |
| lsrupert wrote: |
| Oh, c'mon now. I'm a white woman, and have chosen to not get in an elevator with Koreans before, and it had nothing to do with their nationality/looks/gender/scent/etc. I just like my personal space, and didn't want to get in with them. I would rather take the stairs at times than share. Yet, at other times, I will push in and join the crowd. Don't immediately jump to the conclusion that it has something to do with the fact that you are a foreigner. Unless this happens every time that you are on an elevator. In that case, I'm thinking that maybe it's just you. Might not have anything to do with your skin color. |
oh c'mon now?
I can direct the same question towards YOU
how long have you been here? Koreans do not care about the concept of personal space (the way we think of it) . Any trip to a supermarket, or subway or mountain will quickly convince you of this fact.
I've seen this happen ocassionally to me, though not often, where a Korean had a chance to sit closer to me where there were more seats/space, yet stopped looked around, glanced at me, then went back to the more "crowded" area, further away from me to sit with the fellow pureblooded Han race.
I just snicker when I see it. I'm not the one reeking of kimchi and soju. |
Reminds me of people back home locking their car doors whenever a black guy would walk in front of them across the street.
I guess the folks back home just wanted to "stick with their own" too. I guess that was all rooted in concepts of Volkishness. |
ignorant fools and racists certainly aren't unique to the Korean peninsula.
In fact, it's truly scary how many rednecks and white trash live stateside.
Thing is though, social norms now make such behavior more difficult to pull off (at least in non red states) |
As someone living in a blue state, it wasn't the 'rednecks' who'd do this, the rednecks don't want to show fear, they at least will make their feelings clear.
It was the suburban types who'd sponsor an MLK day event to ease their
consciences, yet whenever they were in their car and a 'ghetto' looking black guy walked by, you'd see them lock their doors.
Korea's racism can be both- you get the drunken adjosshi spewing all kinds of drivel and you also get the smiling co-worker who waits until you've left before ripping you. |
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seoulsister
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Location: International Network
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Css wrote: |
| seoulsister wrote: |
| Old Gil wrote: |
| GreenlightmeansGO wrote: |
| Old Gil wrote: |
me: "annyeonghashimnika"
her: "wa! waegugin imnida. i want to have sex with you even though i have a boyfriend"
me:
Old Gil |
What that means is 'I am a foreigner'. What she would be saying is 'waegugin ida' |
That's not true, I hear it all the time. |
LOL, No you don't - not unless your 외국인 친구들 are saying it.
"외국인이다" = There's a/ It's a/ That's a foreigner.
"외국인 입니다" = I'm a foreigner. |
입니다 is just the polite formal way of conjugating the verb 이다.
V + (으)ㅂ니다
이다 is the verb to be. If i say 저것은 책상입니다 it means that thing is a desk. It does not mean I am a desk. It is simply the verb to be. It is a desk. It is a foreigner. In order to say I am a foreigner, you need to add the I to the verb 이다.. 저는 외국인입니다
Ive heard both 외국인입니다 and 외국인이다..but they mean the same thing. Ive also heard 외국인 있다 which means theres a foreigner. |
~입니다 is the honorific form which would not be used by someone speaking to themselves. When a Korean is pointing out that there is a foreigner nearby, they are making an observation, not talking to you.
If a Korean is making a statement to another Korean, they will say "외국인 이다" or perhaps "외국인 이에요" - gramatically you may be able to make a sentence with ~입니다 but in conversation and especially in the context of an observation, there ain't no Korean anywhere saying "외국인 입니다" , and you can take that to the bank. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Cerberus wrote: |
I've seen this happen ocassionally to me, though not often, where a Korean had a chance to sit closer to me where there were more seats/space, yet stopped looked around, glanced at me, then went back to the more "crowded" area, further away from me to sit with the fellow pureblooded Han race.
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This does happen once in awhile, but most often they aren't people I want to sit next to anyway. It's always the ordinary bookish ones. The younger, more hip ones tend to sit next to me without any qualms. Honestly, I qite like having the space when I get it. Sure beats back home where some absolute stranger is going to be like "So where ya headed?" |
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Css
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| seoulsister wrote: |
| Css wrote: |
| seoulsister wrote: |
| Old Gil wrote: |
| GreenlightmeansGO wrote: |
| Old Gil wrote: |
me: "annyeonghashimnika"
her: "wa! waegugin imnida. i want to have sex with you even though i have a boyfriend"
me:
Old Gil |
What that means is 'I am a foreigner'. What she would be saying is 'waegugin ida' |
That's not true, I hear it all the time. |
LOL, No you don't - not unless your 외국인 친구들 are saying it.
"외국인이다" = There's a/ It's a/ That's a foreigner.
"외국인 입니다" = I'm a foreigner. |
입니다 is just the polite formal way of conjugating the verb 이다.
V + (으)ㅂ니다
이다 is the verb to be. If i say 저것은 책상입니다 it means that thing is a desk. It does not mean I am a desk. It is simply the verb to be. It is a desk. It is a foreigner. In order to say I am a foreigner, you need to add the I to the verb 이다.. 저는 외국인입니다
Ive heard both 외국인입니다 and 외국인이다..but they mean the same thing. Ive also heard 외국인 있다 which means theres a foreigner. |
~입니다 is the honorific form which would not be used by someone speaking to themselves. When a Korean is pointing out that there is a foreigner nearby, they are making an observation, not talking to you.
If a Korean is making a statement to another Korean, they will say "외국인 이다" or perhaps "외국인 이에요" - gramatically you may be able to make a sentence with ~입니다 but in conversation and especially in the context of an observation, there ain't no Korean anywhere saying "외국인 입니다" , and you can take that to the bank. |
Oh we are talking about people on their own? I assumed they were saying it to someone else. Cant say ive ever heard someone say any variation while they were on their own.
Interestingly, it was in a bank where i did hear it. but i do accept it would be used quite rarely.
If a korean is making a statement to another korean, it depends entirely on their social standing which form they will use..No?
edit- having read the post in question again, you are right. it was just the foreigner and the kogal. so you are right, she wouldnt have used imnida.
my apologies. |
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Old Gil
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Reminds me of people back home locking their car doors whenever a black guy would walk in front of them across the street.
I guess the folks back home just wanted to "stick with their own" too. I guess that was all rooted in concepts of Volkishness. |
No that's just racism, just like not sitting next to somebody on a bus. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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I've noticed this weird thing Koreans do when the elevator doors open and inside is a big scary foreigner.......
.......for some reason I can't work out, the Korean will take a step in, spot me, then, sometimes, take a step back again to check the floor number being displayed above the elevator, then go back in the elevator.......why do they do that??.............do they think this elevator will be going somewhere they don't want to go because there's a foreigner in it? |
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Css
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
I've noticed this weird thing Koreans do when the elevator doors open and inside is a big scary foreigner.......
.......for some reason I can't work out, the Korean will take a step in, spot me, then, sometimes, take a step back again to check the floor number being displayed above the elevator, then go back in the elevator.......why do they do that??.............do they think this elevator will be going somewhere they don't want to go because there's a foreigner in it? |
you sure they arent checking to see if the lift is going up or down? if the elevator is empty, checking isnt necessary..but if theres someone in there, ill check to see if its going the way i want and ill either get in or wait till it comes back the other way.
its annoying to go 4 levels down before going up to the 6th floor.
odd that you would assume it was because theres a foreigner in there. you can observe this same behaviour if there is another korean in the elevator too. |
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