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justin moffatt
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 Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: WARNING: IMMIGRATION CRACKDOWN ON ILLEGAL INSTRUCTORS |
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| Just a heads up, that Immigration is planning a major crackdown on instructors working for agencies without proper visa authorization (e.g. BCM, SLI, etc.). Don't think that by giving a fake ARC number, that you will be safe. I have some colleagues who already got busted and paid over 10mil in fines, and deportation (among other things like confinement, blackmail, etc . . .). |
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kinerry
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:03 am Post subject: Re: WARNING: IMMIGRATION CRACKDOWN ON ILLEGAL INSTRUCTORS |
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| justin moffatt wrote: |
| Just a heads up, that Immigration is planning a major crackdown on instructors working for agencies without proper visa authorization (e.g. BCM, SLI, etc.). Don't think that by giving a fake ARC number, that you will be safe. I have some colleagues who already got busted and paid over 10mil in fines, and deportation (among other things like confinement, blackmail, etc . . .). |
this rumor is always abound, no worries here |
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anynag
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Certainly nothing new. I've been stopped and asked to present my ARC several times over the years, in or near a subway station. Once, during one of the crackdowns back in '06, I was even followed and confronted in front of a former place of employment - not far from Gangnam Station. |
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justin moffatt
Joined: 29 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Who asks to view your ARC near the subway station? Immigration? I often don't even carry my ARC with me.
I think the issue is more around instructors working part time gigs without proper visa authorization from employer and/or immigration (for those who need to). Agencies get a slap on the wrist (if that), however, instructors are another story . . . |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| justin moffatt wrote: |
Who asks to view your ARC near the subway station? Immigration? I often don't even carry my ARC with me.
I think the issue is more around instructors working part time gigs without proper visa authorization from employer and/or immigration (for those who need to). Agencies get a slap on the wrist (if that), however, instructors are another story . . . |
You need to carry identification with you no matter what country you are in. Even for us Americans, we can be asked on the spot to prove identification or be taken to jail until it is established, it also helps if you die to identify the body. |
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wonkavite62
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: Jeollanamdo, South Korea.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:13 pm Post subject: Visa Crack Down |
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I have taught in Korea and in Japan. When I was in Korea, about 5 -6 years ago, I carried my ARC everywhere but no one checked.
In Japan, I went out of town with some friends, before I got my ARC, and the police swooped down on us and asked to see our visas. Oh, no, my passport doesn't seem to be in my bag! I said. Only one of us had brought his passport. I was only saved by a phone call to my school.
This happened again in Japan, but I had my ARC on me. Everything was perfect.
Basically, I might come back to Korea again, but ONLY if I have the RIGHT visa. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| anynag wrote: |
| Certainly nothing new. I've been stopped and asked to present my ARC several times over the years, in or near a subway station. Once, during one of the crackdowns back in '06, I was even followed and confronted in front of a former place of employment - not far from Gangnam Station. |
If ANYONE demands to see your ID, ask for theirs, first.  |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| we can be asked on the spot to prove identification or be taken to jail until it is established, it also helps if you die to identify the body. |
Right, everyone knows me by my ARC card. They would never be able to identify me based on what I look like. |
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anynag
Joined: 01 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| justin moffatt wrote: |
| Who asks to view your ARC near the subway station? Immigration? I often don't even carry my ARC with me. |
Yes, immigration. You should always carry your ARC, as it is Korean law. You never know when you may have to talk with the police or an official from another gov't agency. Or, as another poster mentioned, have your body identified. 
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| kinerry wrote: |
| justin moffatt wrote: |
Who asks to view your ARC near the subway station? Immigration? I often don't even carry my ARC with me.
I think the issue is more around instructors working part time gigs without proper visa authorization from employer and/or immigration (for those who need to). Agencies get a slap on the wrist (if that), however, instructors are another story . . . |
You need to carry identification with you no matter what country you are in. Even for us Americans, we can be asked on the spot to prove identification or be taken to jail until it is established, it also helps if you die to identify the body. |
Yes, it's the law that foreigners here carry their ARC with them. You know what else is the law? It's the law that the authorities must have probable cause to conduct a search. Demanding someone present their identification card is a search. "Looking foreign" is not a crime.
You know what will help improve (as in lessening) discrimination? IMHO, if those discriminated against would cease making excuses for the discriminators! |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it's the law that foreigners here carry their ARC with them. You know what else is the law? It's the law that the authorities must have probable cause to conduct a search. Demanding someone present their identification card is a search. "Looking foreign" is not a crime.
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What is probable cause according to immigration? I got stopped near the subway station by the Express Bus Terminal at Gangbyeon Station (I think I got that right). I demanded to see their ID first. I examined it, passed it back and showed my ARC. I was pissed, but I did ask them why they had stopped me. Their response was that many illegal foreigners were in the neighbourhood using the bus terminal. They were perfectly courteous and even apologized. Nice guys actually. I lived in Japan for 5 years and I was never stopped. If it ever happens again, it won't bother me in the least. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| justin moffatt wrote: |
Who asks to view your ARC near the subway station? Immigration? I often don't even carry my ARC with me.
I think the issue is more around instructors working part time gigs without proper visa authorization from employer and/or immigration (for those who need to). Agencies get a slap on the wrist (if that), however, instructors are another story . . . |
You need to carry identification with you no matter what country you are in. Even for us Americans, we can be asked on the spot to prove identification or be taken to jail until it is established, it also helps if you die to identify the body. |
Yes, it's the law that foreigners here carry their ARC with them. You know what else is the law? It's the law that the authorities must have probable cause to conduct a search. Demanding someone present their identification card is a search. "Looking foreign" is not a crime.
You know what will help improve (as in lessening) discrimination? IMHO, if those discriminated against would cease making excuses for the discriminators! |
It's law that everyone carries their id with them foreigners and koreans |
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some waygug-in
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| we can be asked on the spot to prove identification or be taken to jail until it is established, it also helps if you die to identify the body. |
Right, everyone knows me by my ARC card. They would never be able to identify me based on what I look like. |
Uh...it's just much easier to contact those close to you if you have identification on you. Instead of "random foreign person found dead floating in water" it's "lifeinkorea found dead floating in water, let's contact his school, family, etc. right away". |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| kinerry wrote: |
| justin moffatt wrote: |
Who asks to view your ARC near the subway station? Immigration? I often don't even carry my ARC with me.
I think the issue is more around instructors working part time gigs without proper visa authorization from employer and/or immigration (for those who need to). Agencies get a slap on the wrist (if that), however, instructors are another story . . . |
You need to carry identification with you no matter what country you are in. Even for us Americans, we can be asked on the spot to prove identification or be taken to jail until it is established, it also helps if you die to identify the body. |
This is not true. You have no idea what you are talking about. Why do you spout this nonsense.
You are not required to have id in the US. In some jusridictions you must verbally state your name if asked by the police. In other places, you dont have to answer the police at all. No where are you required to show an id card to police. |
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