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some waygug-in
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 Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: Too many new teachers?? really? |
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What happened to the 'glut' of foreign teachers?
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/
There seems to be a lot of PS jobs still available. |
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Ramen
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broken76
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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The charging newbies for orientation is not true or has been changed. EPIK will pay for the orientation. The fees are for dependents who won't be teaching in Korea.
The number of teaching jobs in Korea has not changed but the number of applicants has. Before for 100 jobs you'd have about 90 candidates so the schools would either be picky and pay for it or just hire anyone available. Now for the same 100 job you have roughly 500 candidates. Now all the schools can be picky and choose who they want. You will not find a school that is hiring just anyone now. Even a year ago at this time as long as you had a degree and a pulse you can get a job. Now even the less desirable positions are being picky because they can. |
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JD_Tiberius
Joined: 16 Nov 2009
Location: Korea
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Well things are picking back up in the west, people are getting jobs again so less want to come to Korea.
I'm pretty sure it won't last as many banks *cough* RBS *cough* are still engaging in the same crap that caused this recession in the first place, but I'm hoping that the recovery keeps up until at least the end of the year so there is less competition for teaching places in korea this Autumn. |
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curiousaboutkorea
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| I'm curious to see if, with this big influx of teachers who are coming strictly for money, there will be more or less runners. Are people desperate and therefore will endure any crap to keep their job? Or are there more unprepared people who haven't considered difference of culture etc. who will run away? |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| curiousaboutkorea wrote: |
| I'm curious to see if, with this big influx of teachers who are coming strictly for money, there will be more or less runners. Are people desperate and therefore will endure any crap to keep their job? Or are there more unprepared people who haven't considered difference of culture etc. who will run away? |
You're right about the number of runners. Will it increase as new foreign teachers are cheated by rotten hagwons? We will see. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:05 am Post subject: |
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The number of runners might increase if this influx is truly fueled by people who go to Korea for money and have no interest in teaching. Bad hakwons are still there but good hakwons will get the short end of the stick if these money mercs end up arriving in droves.
1997 and the currency meltdown led to such an influx and it was a sad spectacle.
Still, Korea can fix a large part of this problem by making visa requirements a bit more demanding than a B.a. in basket weaving and being a native speaker... |
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oskinny1
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
| curiousaboutkorea wrote: |
| I'm curious to see if, with this big influx of teachers who are coming strictly for money, there will be more or less runners. Are people desperate and therefore will endure any crap to keep their job? Or are there more unprepared people who haven't considered difference of culture etc. who will run away? |
You're right about the number of runners. Will it increase as new foreign teachers are cheated by rotten hagwons? We will see. |
Yes, the only reason there are runners is because of bad hagwons. No teacher is ever to be considered at fault for anything. |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| oskinny1 wrote: |
| wylies99 wrote: |
| curiousaboutkorea wrote: |
| I'm curious to see if, with this big influx of teachers who are coming strictly for money, there will be more or less runners. Are people desperate and therefore will endure any crap to keep their job? Or are there more unprepared people who haven't considered difference of culture etc. who will run away? |
You're right about the number of runners. Will it increase as new foreign teachers are cheated by rotten hagwons? We will see. |
Yes, the only reason there are runners is because of bad hagwons. No teacher is ever to be considered at fault for anything. |
Yes, the only reason there are runners is because of bad foreign teachers. No rotten hagwon is ever to be considered at fault for anything. |
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curiousaboutkorea
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
| oskinny1 wrote: |
| wylies99 wrote: |
| curiousaboutkorea wrote: |
| I'm curious to see if, with this big influx of teachers who are coming strictly for money, there will be more or less runners. Are people desperate and therefore will endure any crap to keep their job? Or are there more unprepared people who haven't considered difference of culture etc. who will run away? |
You're right about the number of runners. Will it increase as new foreign teachers are cheated by rotten hagwons? We will see. |
Yes, the only reason there are runners is because of bad hagwons. No teacher is ever to be considered at fault for anything. |
Yes, the only reason there are runners is because of bad foreign teachers. No rotten hagwon is ever to be considered at fault for anything. |
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Rory_Calhoun27
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Still, Korea can fix a large part of this problem by making visa requirements a bit more demanding than a B.a. in basket weaving and being a native speaker... |
Isn't that what they did two or three years ago, needing the background check for all? basically the same requirement for all PS teachers. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
The number of runners might increase if this influx is truly fueled by people who go to Korea for money and have no interest in teaching. Bad hakwons are still there but good hakwons will get the short end of the stick if these money mercs end up arriving in droves.
1997 and the currency meltdown led to such an influx and it was a sad spectacle.
Still, Korea can fix a large part of this problem by making visa requirements a bit more demanding than a B.a. in basket weaving and being a native speaker... |
I thought the IMF situation led to the opposite, people leaving in droves?
Correct me if I am wrong, I wasn't here then.
So what do you suggest? Making a B Ed. the new standard?
For some of these babysitting hagwan jobs, a degree in basketweaving is probably better, because the "teacher" won't have as many pre-set expectations. |
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Michelle
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
The number of runners might increase if this influx is truly fueled by people who go to Korea for money and have no interest in teaching. Bad hakwons are still there but good hakwons will get the short end of the stick if these money mercs end up arriving in droves.
1997 and the currency meltdown led to such an influx and it was a sad spectacle.
Still, Korea can fix a large part of this problem by making visa requirements a bit more demanding than a B.a. in basket weaving and being a native speaker... |
I thought the IMF situation led to the opposite, people leaving in droves?
Correct me if I am wrong, I wasn't here then.
So what do you suggest? Making a B Ed. the new standard?
For some of these babysitting hagwan jobs, a degree in basketweaving is probably better, because the "teacher" won't have as many pre-set expectations. |
Hi,
Hmmm. I thought it was the IMF yeah. This is one standard the PS could set. A lot of real teachers might have an issue being a co-teacher unless they are fresh out of school and need the experience. It could provide cultural experience etc.
Those teachers seem to have less general Korea knowledge then others who have stayed and done hagwon etc because they were probably studying. Some of them are very bored and frustrated about the conditions but I guess that is normal.
What is strange is that rather then search for a B ed who they would have to maybe pay more for they are looking to other countries in order to get teachers a bit cheaper. To my mind looking to india or the phillipines is not the right move in ELT, others may disagree though.
I have also heard rumours that there are a lot of positions left which is why they still advertise???
Rumour rumour all...as for the hagwons I never can decide. All I remember as a newbie was expecting some training and not getting it... |
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smee18
Joined: 24 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't imagine a B.ED. becoming the standard, coz I can't immagine many qualified teachers wanting to come and work here. I mean, I know American teachers get treated like crap a lot of the time, but back home in Australia teachers are relatively well paid and in demand. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't that what they did two or three years ago, needing the background check for all? basically the same requirement for all PS teachers. |
That was a partial measure. I meant raising the selection bar not tighening the backgroupd checks...even if these checks should have been there from the start. |
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