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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: Cops called for teen doodling on desk. She's 12?!?! |
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This girl does not look 12. I'm not saying she's not, but geesh.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584933,00.html?test=latestnews
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NEW YORK � A New York City middle school student has been arrested for doodling on her desk with a marker.
Twelve-year-old Alexa Gonzalez scribbled "Lex was here 2/1/10" on her desk Monday. She also wrote "I love my friends Abby and Faith." The girl says the doodles could have been erased, according to the Daily News.
Moraima Tamacho says her daughter was released several hours after she was taken in handcuffs to a police station.... |
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SeoulMan99

Joined: 02 Aug 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The only thing sadder than them calling the police in this case is that the police actually took a 12 year old off in handcuffs! Public schools and police are becoming ridiculously overbearing these days. I just read a separate story about a 5 or 6 year old boy who was being suspended for because his lego action figure had a gun attached to it. The gun was literally an inch or so in length, and he was 5! The principal has the final decision if the gun in question merits a suspension, and she decided it did. Wow. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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What the hell is going on in America's schools? Seriously? Where did common sense go? I read these forums and everyone is complaining that Koreans have no common sense. I think they should look at their own countries first.
Kids are kids. Arresting kids for:
- bringing toy guns to school. WTF does this say about society? Kids are bringing real guns, so do to fear no guns are allowed? WTF?
- kids taking pics of each other with their cell phones and sending them to each other = child porn? WTF? It's called puberty. Sending them to jail for 10-20 years because they are horny? Damn.
- kids fighting with other kids = call the cops and arrested for assault. What ever happened to kids being allowed to have the playground scrap and parents and principals being involved?
- kids writing on school property = arrested? WTF? Seriously.
No offense to Americans, but your country is starting to sound like a police state. It is seriously heading there. The government is involved in all aspect of your family's business.
Canada too is heading there, but we aren't even in the same league as America.
I wonder why the hell there aren't more American teachers working abroad. I'd want to kill myself if I had to work with all those constraints and the lack of common sense that administrators seem to be exhibiting lately. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, but we're only getting the tip of the iceberg here in this terse account. This girl has probably been a huge problem child in class, has written on her desk repeatedly and/or defaced school property on other occasions and reams of other acts of defiance and vandalism. Bad attitude is also written all over her smirky face. The proverbial straw that broke the camel's ass. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| If you were stranded alone on a small island with her after a plane wreck for about a week, would you forget she was 12? |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Cops called for teen doodling on desk. She's 12?!?! |
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Next time you are in the US, go take a stroll through the hallways of a public middle school. There must be something in the water because kids nowadays grow up real fast. Middle School athletes are as big as high school varsity athletes 10 years ago. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Cops called for teen doodling on desk. She's 12?!?! |
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Next time you are in the US, go take a stroll through the hallways of a public middle school. There must be something in the water because kids nowadays grow up real fast. Middle School athletes are as big as high school varsity athletes 10 years ago. |
It's all the hormones they put in the food. |
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SeoulMan99

Joined: 02 Aug 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:44 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Mr. Pink"]What the hell is going on in America's schools? Seriously? Where did common sense go? I read these forums and everyone is complaining that Koreans have no common sense. I think they should look at their own countries first.
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The population difference between the States and Canada will mean you will see many more examples of general nuttiness like this. The situation is not as bad as you're imagining. I have a good friend who is a 6th grade teacher in IL and her school district isn't nearly as bad as this. A lot of it comes down to the people running each district and school. Leftists in this country thoroughly control our school systems, and they have taken the anti-gun movement to the extreme in cases like this. I agree it is better not to have violent toys in schools, but does a 5 year-old with a lego cop with a tiny gun require a suspension? I would be embarrassed if of myself if I was that principal.
I was actually a victim of something like this when I was in the 3rd grade. Well, I was bringing a signed picture of Stan Musial to school to show people and while on the bus the picture, which was framed, broke in my bag, and when I opened the bag I reached in and grabbed it and saw the broken glass. Well, the bus driver saw this and reported me as having a weapon. I received a one day suspension for this. Mind you I did not pull broken glass out and show it around or threaten anyone.
This world is getting so uptight, and it isn't making a damn difference. Just in the last few years I can think of examples of teenage girls posting videos of 8 of them beating 1, extreme hazing etc. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Cops called for teen doodling on desk. She's 12?!?! |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Next time you are in the US, go take a stroll through the hallways of a public middle school. There must be something in the water because kids nowadays grow up real fast. Middle School athletes are as big as high school varsity athletes 10 years ago. |
No doubt.. you see this?
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100205/SPORTS14/2050367 |
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jmuns
Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Location: earth
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Kids are kids. Arresting kids for:
- bringing toy guns to school. WTF does this say about society? Kids are bringing real guns, so do to fear no guns are allowed? WTF? :shock:
- kids taking pics of each other with their cell phones and sending them to each other = child porn? WTF? It's called puberty. Sending them to jail for 10-20 years because they are horny? Damn.
- kids fighting with other kids = call the cops and arrested for assault. What ever happened to kids being allowed to have the playground scrap and parents and principals being involved?
- kids writing on school property = arrested? WTF? :shock: Seriously.
No offense to Americans, but your country is starting to sound like a police state. It is seriously heading there. The government is involved in all aspect of your family's business.
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All of this happens in Canada too. I know you said you arent on the same level as America, I just wonder how? No doubt you dont have as many cases of arrests but you also have no where near the same number of students. Plenty of examples of Canadian kids getting arrested for fights, toy/fake guns, etc. |
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Rory_Calhoun27
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Cops called for teen doodling on desk. She's 12?!?! |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Next time you are in the US, go take a stroll through the hallways of a public middle school. There must be something in the water because kids nowadays grow up real fast. Middle School athletes are as big as high school varsity athletes 10 years ago. |
No doubt.. you see this?
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100205/SPORTS14/2050367 |
I doubt the kid will actually get the offer, as Lanie is fired or resigns in a year or two..... |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
Kids are kids. Arresting kids for:
- bringing toy guns to school. WTF does this say about society? Kids are bringing real guns, so do to fear no guns are allowed? WTF?
- kids taking pics of each other with their cell phones and sending them to each other = child porn? WTF? It's called puberty. Sending them to jail for 10-20 years because they are horny? Damn.
- kids fighting with other kids = call the cops and arrested for assault. What ever happened to kids being allowed to have the playground scrap and parents and principals being involved?
- kids writing on school property = arrested? WTF? Seriously.
No offense to Americans, but your country is starting to sound like a police state. It is seriously heading there. The government is involved in all aspect of your family's business.
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All of this happens in Canada too. I know you said you arent on the same level as America, I just wonder how? No doubt you dont have as many cases of arrests but you also have no where near the same number of students. Plenty of examples of Canadian kids getting arrested for fights, toy/fake guns, etc. |
In Canada education rules are made by each province. The federal government has no say on what should or should not happen with education. This is a big difference between the US. The fact the feds can dictate certain things and hold money over school boards heads, effects the way certain school boards are run, especially the poorer ones.
In Canada educational funding is equalized. That means if you live in a rich area or poor area, you get the same educational resources. This also helps somewhat.
About the common sense thing: some provinces have a zero tolerance policy (Ontario used to), some don't. Thus it depends on which province you are in. When Ontario had a zero tolerance policy, a lot of these stories would show up in the papers. Now days, the government has taken a softer stance on things, mostly because it was elementary and middle school students that were getting the most suspensions and expulsions, whereas the intended rules were meant for bad high school kids who were older and more accountable.
Sure you can't bring toy guns to school in Canada, but if you are in primary and do so, do they call the cops? Is the kid arrested? Seems common sense is a bit higher, as think about this: In Canada hand guns are illegal, so the odds of it being real are very low. In the States, the kid could have daddy's gun...
The child pornography thing is another issue that Canada is a bit more flexible on when it is kids showing each other their nakedness. I've never heard of 10-20 sentences, like the one I recently read about in the States. Overall on crime Canada is softer. The institutionalization of criminals isn't a big business in Canada like it is in the States, so we don't need to "get tougher" in order to feed that business. Many Canadians though (myself included) would argue we need to get tougher on certain crimes. Kids getting all horny and stupid and showing themselves naked isn't one I would rank as a priority though. If anything, these kids and their parents need a class on common sense and why doing that type of stuff isn't a good idea.
Anyways, I am not saying Canada is the promised land, but like a previous poster said, we have a 10th of the population of the US, and in most big cities 50% of the population is immigrants. Immigrants typically don't do the stupid things our born and bred teens do. If they did, seriously, some of the immigrant dads would kill their daughters. (That has been done several times, and THAT is the type of problem we are dealing with in Canada.) |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Cops called for teen doodling on desk. She's 12?!?! |
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This girl does not look 12. I'm not saying she's not, but geesh.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584933,00.html?test=latestnews
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NEW YORK � A New York City middle school student has been arrested for doodling on her desk with a marker.
Twelve-year-old Alexa Gonzalez scribbled "Lex was here 2/1/10" on her desk Monday. She also wrote "I love my friends Abby and Faith." The girl says the doodles could have been erased, according to the Daily News.
Moraima Tamacho says her daughter was released several hours after she was taken in handcuffs to a police station.... |
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Did any of you sere the movie
The War on Kids.
It's pretty consistent with this report. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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To add to the list of problems in NYC schools,
The Rubber Room
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7O7C25U73w
I wonder about the future our youth will have to grow up with- tougher rules on those that should be enforcing rules/morals/ethics, whathaveyou. Like in Robocop 2 when they gave him 100 stupid directives and he talked to kids that robbed the electronics store, yet he shot at the dude smoking a cig |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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This kind of thing is ridiculous, but over-reaction by school staff is nothing new. It's just that, in other cultures and/or in previous times in America, instead of the over-reaction coming in the form of police involvement, it came in the form of merciless beatings.
The medium has changed, and our ability to witness it at a national level has increased, but the behavioral pattern itself has existed since time immemorial. |
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