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xCustomx
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:05 am Post subject: Are you going to give your lesson plans to the next NET? |
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My school requested that I leave all my files on the laptop that I have used for the last three years so that the next teacher can use my lesson plans. I told them that I would leave maybe a months worth of lesson plans so the teacher could get a sense of what to do, but there is no way that I'm going to leave hundreds of lesson plans, worksheets, games, activities, etc. just for the next teacher to use.
So, what has everyone else done? Have you given all your plans to the next teacher? |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Are you going to give your lesson plans to the next NET? |
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| xCustomx wrote: |
My school requested that I leave all my files on the laptop that I have used for the last three years so that the next teacher can use my lesson plans. I told them that I would leave maybe a months worth of lesson plans so the teacher could get a sense of what to do, but there is no way that I'm going to leave hundreds of lesson plans, worksheets, games, activities, etc. just for the next teacher to use.
So, what has everyone else done? Have you given all your plans to the next teacher? |
I'm leaving all of my lesson plans, plus info on where I live, the apt. they will be getting and inside info about our school.
The reason why so many teachers have a hard time their first few months is because they know almost nothing about where they live, where stuff is and how to get things done. Their co-teachers are either too busy or don't understand what it's like to not know how to pay bills or turn on the hot water in their apartment.
Life would have been so much easier had the last teacher actually said stuff like "Hey, there's a bank by our apartment! Here's how you get there to pay your bills" or "Hey, the internet sometimes messes up, so maybe you should do XYZ".
No it's not our job but I'd like to think some of us are considerate people. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Why wouldn't you? It seems kinda passive aggressive to purposely make it harder for the next person. It's no skin off your nose to leave the lesson plans there.
They will either use them as is, improve them or make new ones. Or are you just miffed that there weren't ones there for you? |
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skim234
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:23 am Post subject: |
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The OP sounds like a miserable person. Were you planning on selling them or something? As a believer in karma, you are asking for some crappy karma by purposely not helping someone who probably needs help.
I'm not sure of the motivation behind your logic. |
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Michelle
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: Re: Are you going to give your lesson plans to the next NET? |
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| xCustomx wrote: |
My school requested that I leave all my files on the laptop that I have used for the last three years so that the next teacher can use my lesson plans. I told them that I would leave maybe a months worth of lesson plans so the teacher could get a sense of what to do, but there is no way that I'm going to leave hundreds of lesson plans, worksheets, games, activities, etc. just for the next teacher to use.
So, what has everyone else done? Have you given all your plans to the next teacher? |
I would give them as long as I could be sure it would be recieved by the next teacher directly.
There can sometimes be big changes at a school. |
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frankly speaking
Joined: 23 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:46 am Post subject: |
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If your public school job asks for your lesson plans, they are entitled to them. You are given several hours a day for lesson planning. According to intellectual property rights, you are a full time employee and the lessons do belong to them and not to you. No school will enforce such a thing, but do you really think that everything you did was so special that no one else could do it? Just share your lessons with those that might need it. Also it will help them not repeat the same lesson with different groups.
I always share when asked. The problem with a lot of newbs is that they are to afraid of looking stupid to ask for help. |
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xCustomx
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| skim234 wrote: |
The OP sounds like a miserable person. Were you planning on selling them or something? As a believer in karma, you are asking for some crappy karma by purposely not helping someone who probably needs help.
I'm not sure of the motivation behind your logic. |
No I wasn't planning on selling them. But why should I just give 3 years of work away? I actually use quite a few sites where I can download other lesson plans, but only if I upload material that I've made. I also work together with some of the other public school teachers in my area to share lesson plans. I just don't understand why I should fork over everything. |
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pusky
Joined: 03 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| you are obligated to give them to your school. They pay you to create them and they retain ownership of it. If you want to keep a copy for yourself i'm sure thats fine but really there is no good moral or practical reason to not leave them behind. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I don't see the point.
1) It's the teacher's job to wipe their butt, feed themself, and MAKE THEIR OWN LESSON PLANS.
2) English is not school centric. We can post lesson plans online and share. Someone is going to fly to the other side of the earth and not use the internet? Use the internet folks, why share what you have with only one person? |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:18 am Post subject: Re: Are you going to give your lesson plans to the next NET? |
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| kabrams wrote: |
I'm leaving all of my lesson plans, plus info on where I live, the apt. they will be getting and inside info about our school.
The reason why so many teachers have a hard time their first few months is because they know almost nothing about where they live, where stuff is and how to get things done. Their co-teachers are either too busy or don't understand what it's like to not know how to pay bills or turn on the hot water in their apartment.
Life would have been so much easier had the last teacher actually said stuff like "Hey, there's a bank by our apartment! Here's how you get there to pay your bills" or "Hey, the internet sometimes messes up, so maybe you should do XYZ".
No it's not our job but I'd like to think some of us are considerate people. |
+1. I am a newb. I had a nearly full curriculum for the year when I arrived. I'm working on improving it, but I'm still a little unsure of how to do so. I would never have that luxury if a teacher hadn't prepared it all and left it for me. On the other hand, I've pretty much had to figure out how to do everything else my self. Hand them over - it'll help the new teacher and benefit your students. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Absolutely. I'll give as much inside information as I can about the school and where I live. About my co-teachers, principal and vice-pee, other teachers, even peripheral staff. I'll mention good ways to keep relationships positive and running smoothly, too. I would be more than happy to give any incoming teachers my lesson plans as well, but I write them in a thick notebook and many are terse to say the least. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
I don't see the point.
1) It's the teacher's job to wipe their butt, feed themself, and MAKE THEIR OWN LESSON PLANS.
2) English is not school centric. We can post lesson plans online and share. Someone is going to fly to the other side of the earth and not use the internet? Use the internet folks, why share what you have with only one person? |
Sadly there are a lot of teachers like this guy out there.
My guy left al of his lesson plans for me, they were a nice little guide, but in the end I mostly did my own thing anyway. HOwever, we have all had off days where its like "holy crap I have no idea what to plan" and we end up using a unit someone else created.
I would think that this comment was made by someone not trained to be an actual teacher ( certified I mean) one of the staples of the teaching profession is lesson plan sharing and improving and making other plans as original as possible.
Are any of you that naive to think that you are not doing something that someone somewhere has done before?
It is a teachers job to make thier own lesson plans, it says nothing about borrowing from, modifying, or using other peoples plans, its a cornerstone of our profession.
Leaving your old plans is just a nice little way of showing, and posbily getting a bit of continuity in the school program as opposed to say F*** you new guy figure it out on your own, and if its completely different from the way I did stuff you wont have a bloody clue why the kids might be non responsive at first.
Leaving these plans in NO WAY suggests that he will not use the internet for other resources.
And, as another guy pointed out, the plans DO NOT BELONG TO YOU. they are the intillectual property of the school, and if they request them and you refuse you can be subject to penalties under most contracts ( not that many would ever do that)
The school employs you to construct lesson plans, THEY PAY FOR THEM.
Quite being a bloody scrooge and leave them. 90 % of all teachers will use them as a helpful guide, 10 % will copy them totally or with very little alteration and no new plans created.
thats my guess anyway |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| I'm leaving everything for my successor. I don't see any reason why not. His/her ability to execute them and be successful is going to depend on many factors, the main one being style. The newbie may love them or hate them, but that's not my problem. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| skim234 wrote: |
The OP sounds like a miserable person. Were you planning on selling them or something? As a believer in karma, you are asking for some crappy karma by purposely not helping someone who probably needs help.
I'm not sure of the motivation behind your logic. |
No I wasn't planning on selling them. But why should I just give 3 years of work away? I actually use quite a few sites where I can download other lesson plans, but only if I upload material that I've made. I also work together with some of the other public school teachers in my area to share lesson plans. I just don't understand why I should fork over everything. |
You are a ******* *******. Fill in the blanks, ******. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:00 am Post subject: |
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No I wasn't planning on selling them. But why should I just give 3 years of work away? I actually use quite a few sites where I can download other lesson plans, but only if I upload material that I've made. I also work together with some of the other public school teachers in my area to share lesson plans. I just don't understand why I should fork over everything. |
You're not alone in this. I've spent enough time in teachers rooms, populated by dozens of foreigners, and there was a very sizable number who also would not share lesson plans, ideas, and so forth. I guess it could be called covetousness or insecurity or a specific kind of envy (god knows why), but there was an unspoken fear that helping the newbs would threaten their hard won popularity and creativity. Hey, I worked my tail off to get these ideas: trial and error, disappointed classes, stress, until I finally hit on these techniques. They work, dammit. Why should I just give 'em away? Teachers helping teachers is not axiomatic. |
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