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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| kimchi_pizza wrote: |
Basically, (In the Army at least) no matter how many years of active duty you sign up for, usually between 2 - 5 years for the first enlistment, you are actually signed up for 8 years.
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It's called Military Service Obligation and is currently eight years (increased from six years in the early 1980s). It applies to anyone who joins any branch of the US Armed Forces. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Op,
You were injured and had to be medically discharged? And yet you sing the praises of the military? |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| OP, the only flaw in your suggestion is that to follow your advice and get the benefits you claim is that I would have to become American. And I'm not prepared to have a lobotomy at my stage of life. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:34 am Post subject: |
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I just wanted to state a correction in my earlier post:
In Canada the military won't pay for your law school (on any site that I could find) They will pay for you to go back to school once you are in for a while and rank up to major or lt. col. so perhaps they pay for your doctorate?
Anyways, seems like a crappier position than I had previously thought, even though you do start at something like 68k cdn as a captain, which is higher than you would get as a starting lawyer unless you were #1 in your class at at top school in Toronto and were able to kiss some serious butt during articling...anyways I am digressing.
The military still is becoming competitive in pay and benefits, which is imo good! |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| OP, the only flaw in your suggestion is that to follow your advice and get the benefits you claim is that I would have to become American. And I'm not prepared to have a lobotomy at my stage of life. |
oh deary deary deary deary me, how cheeky |
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mcviking
Joined: 24 Mar 2009
Location: 'Fantastic' America
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
mcviking:
I think a few years dealing with kids in a Korean hawgwon could also give some people post-traumatic stress disorder. Seriously, I had nightmares about my first hawgwon for years, and overall the place wasn't THAT bad. I was paid on time and not treated like crap. It is just somehow got under my skin.
So I can see how soldiers who go into dangerous situations can get it. However, getting it while on a ship? Are you kidding me? After reading that I figured my attitude would be an asset. I seriously don't think about innocent people suffering. If I did, I would go insane, as it happens everyday in every country. War is what it is: people get hurt, people die. Hopefully it is military people, but innocents get hurt too.
I was actually thinking about the military and how they have changed since I was in high school (at least in Canada). They pay like twice as much now and have better benefits. A smart person would go to Royal Military College (our West Point), get a 4 year degree, then go to law school. Have the military pick up the tab for that, get out of law school, get ranked automatically as captain and do your required years. Yes, you will be ranked higher than your classmates after only a couple extra years of studying. Pretty sweet huh? Captains salary beats what a lawyer makes their first couple years, and you get job experience to boot. Hell, since you are in the military, you probably get to do your year articling for the military too.
Anyways...I am too old and unless the military is hiring teachers of a different nationality, I guess my time has passed.
For younger people, I agree, it is a pretty good deal in many respects.
Oh and that military experience in the US = secret or top secret clearance = BIG paying jobs for DoD contractors. I got a buddy making 150k a year working for a contractor and even though 50k of that is his housing allowance for the year, that is still pretty damn AWESOME. Another guy I know is making over 200k a year tax free working in a war zone. |
Well it wasn't only that. He has never said oh no I have PTSD the bombs the bombs! But he is not the same person he was. Also his MOS was pretty stressful. He was a nuclear engineer. Its one of the hardest positions to get in the navy. His MOS school was two years as apposed to the usual 6 months at most, for most positions. The other thing is he absolutely hates the military. Why did he join then? Not sure. Pre 911 joining the military was like over-glorified boy scouts. See the world, no danger, pay for college, play with some sweet guns. He hated every minute of it but a six year contract is a six year contract. I hate illogical decision making, and if that decision making also might put me in front of bullets, then f that noise. But hey to each his own. I much prefer seeing the world just because I can speak English. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| OP, the only flaw in your suggestion is that to follow your advice and get the benefits you claim is that I would have to become American. And I'm not prepared to have a lobotomy at my stage of life. |
Like Kiwis are renowned for their intellect? Learn how to pronounce vowels properly first.
NZ doesnt really have much of a military and foreigners are allowed to join the US armed forces. |
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Binch Lover
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:43 am Post subject: |
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I love how nobody has once mentioned about HAVING TO KILL PEOPLE!!!!!
Pretty major downside in any career in my opinion. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
-If you leave your assigned location without permission, you can be arrested. Your freedom of movement, as such, is gone.
-If you disobey orders, you can be put to criminal trial. Your freedom of action, as such, is gone.
-You lose your right to a lawyer and your right to be tried under the US legal system. Your basic rights to be treated as a citizen in the eyes of the law, as such, are gone.
The methodology of the military, if employed in the private sector, would be illegal, and with good reason: it's tantamount to slavery. |
Personally speaking i was always far too independent to become an owned, political pawn like that. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| conrad2 wrote: |
Op,
You were injured and had to be medically discharged? And yet you sing the praises of the military? |
I have a co-worker that was medically discharged from the army back in '07. He gets $3k/month in disability payments (he got torn up by an IED). He loved being in the service though, and misses it like crazy. Why? Because he was able to do things he would have never been able to do outside the Army (and no, I don't mean the killing of people or anything along those lines).
Funnily enough the other 2 vets I work with, who weren't injured while serving, are a lot less enthusiastic about the military. |
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