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visitorq
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The Teaparty movement was started out by people like Ron Paul, and stood for real libertarian values like limiting the role of government, ending the Fed, stopping the unconstitutional wars, opposing bank bailouts and tax increases, and objecting to the socialization of our country.
It has since been infiltrated by phonies like Glen Beck and Sarah Palin, who have turned their side of it into a big pep rally for the Republican party. It's a clear example of the government coming in and trying to co-opt a populist movement. All the idiot Bush-loving Republicans go along with it and wave the American flag around. Then it gives the Democrats an excuse to point fingers in opposition, and the whole phony left/right wing paradigm (one political party with two teams) continues, so the public will argue amongst themselves while the banks rob our country blind.
This is all just divide and conquer tactics. When the teaparty movement started out it was led Ron Paul and his like. Glen Beck and Sarah Palin are just controlled opposition whose job it is to mislead the public. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| The Teaparty movement was started out by people like Ron Paul, and stood for real libertarian values like limiting the role of government, ending the Fed, stopping the unconstitutional wars, opposing bank bailouts and tax increases, and objecting to the socialization of our country... |
I was wondering about whether, and if so, how much Ron Paul was/is involved with the modern "Tea Party." The corresponding wikipedia article only mentions him once in reference to possible loose precursors to the more well known early 2009 beginning movement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
My original take was that actual libertarians just identified as libertarians and that the ignorant masses of pseudo-libertarian corporatist social conservatives were the majority of those identifying as part of the modern "Tea Party" all along. Do you have any decent links supporting the notion that the "Tea Party" was later co-opted rather than simply having been a Rush Limbaugh/Fox News production from the get-go? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| Street Magic wrote: |
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| The Teaparty movement was started out by people like Ron Paul, and stood for real libertarian values like limiting the role of government, ending the Fed, stopping the unconstitutional wars, opposing bank bailouts and tax increases, and objecting to the socialization of our country... |
I was wondering about whether, and if so, how much Ron Paul was/is involved with the modern "Tea Party." The corresponding wikipedia article only mentions him once in reference to possible loose precursors to the more well known early 2009 beginning movement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
My original take was that actual libertarians just identified as libertarians and that the ignorant masses of pseudo-libertarian corporatist social conservatives were the majority of those identifying as part of the modern "Tea Party" all along. Do you have any decent links supporting the notion that the "Tea Party" was later co-opted rather than simply having been a Rush Limbaugh/Fox News production from the get-go? |
When Ron Paul was first giving speeches to massive crowds (partly because he wasn't allowed to speak at Republican party conventions), I'm not sure it was even called the "Tea Party" yet, but it was definitely a libertarian crowd from the beginning. Then Glenn Beck got involved with his whole 9/12 project thing, which brought the Fox News audience on board, which culminated in them inviting Sarah Palin on board to be a key note speaker. She has admitted plainly that the Republican party wants to "absorb" the tea party movement.
Ron Paul himself has said that the movement has been "infiltrated by neocons" (there's an interview of him with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, if you can stand to look at her annoying, smug face for even a few minutes that is):
http://rawstory.com/2010/02/paul-cautions-neocon-influence-infiltrating-tea-parties/
If you want more info, just google "ron paul tea party" - you can also find some of his speeches on youtube. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Sounds like someone is taking the comics a little too seriously, and depending on the fact that few will actually read the comic to interpret the meaning themselves. |
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visitorq
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| A lot of folks buy comics sure, but they won't be the ones talking about it on TV and writing opinion pieces about them to millions who won't read them. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| A lot of folks buy comics sure, but they won't be the ones talking about it on TV and writing opinion pieces about them to millions who won't read them. |
No, they'll be the ones following the themes and projecting them to the big screen, ebbing away at the mindset of the average consumer of corporate funded Hollywood propaganda. |
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Deep Thirteen
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, but the topic title made me think the Captain would be beating up perverts with his shield. |
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Old Gil
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
The Teaparty movement was started out by people like Ron Paul, and stood for real libertarian values like limiting the role of government, ending the Fed, stopping the unconstitutional wars, opposing bank bailouts and tax increases, and objecting to the socialization of our country.
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Screw Ron Paul, the man is a Bircher and a white supremacist.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/more-selections-ron-pauls-newsletters
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| In an article entitled �The Coming Race War,� The Ron Paul Political Report refers to the �pro-communist philanderer Martin Luther King� and refers to his �non-violent approach� as �(i.e., state violence).� The newsletter advises that, �if there is any issue the Republicans have in their favor for the next presidential election, it is the question of race. It was all over for Michael Dukakis when Jesse Jackson gave his awful prime-time speech at the last Democratic convention, and the cameras focused on masses of teary-eyed, left-wing blacks.� |
There's more if you'd like to read about it, or just bury your head in bizarre Japanese incest fantasy movies. |
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mises
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Oh Heavens! Ron Paul broke taboo.
Christ. Ok. Then I guess permanent war it is. Can't have anybody saying anything bad about the brothers. Best, stick with OMGOBAMA and permanent war. And hundreds of thousands of incarcerated blacks for non-violent crimes. But at least the The Big O does not say things that make emotionally crippled liberals upset. |
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Old Gil
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Oh Heavens! Ron Paul broke taboo.
Christ. Ok. Then I guess permanent war it is. Can't have anybody saying anything bad about the brothers. Best, stick with OMGOBAMA and permanent war. And hundreds of thousands of incarcerated blacks for non-violent crimes. But at least the The Big O does not say things that make emotionally crippled liberals upset. |
Yes, that's it. Ron Paul 'gets it'. He's a real ear to the ground kind of guy, just telling it like it is to the Nanny Goat Bureaucrats up in Taxachussets!!!! Too delicate to hear the facts, driving their imported cars and sipping their merlot. MAYBE IF THEY CAME DOWN FROM THEIR IVORY TOWERS LIMOUSINE LIBERALS MY COLD DEAD HANDS...an so on and so forth
You are flat out ridiculous. The man is a racist and a white supremacist. How does that make liberals emotionally crippled? What the hell does it have to do with Obama? Make a cogent farking point please. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Old Gil wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
The Teaparty movement was started out by people like Ron Paul, and stood for real libertarian values like limiting the role of government, ending the Fed, stopping the unconstitutional wars, opposing bank bailouts and tax increases, and objecting to the socialization of our country.
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Screw Ron Paul, the man is a Bircher and a white supremacist.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/more-selections-ron-pauls-newsletters
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| In an article entitled �The Coming Race War,� The Ron Paul Political Report refers to the �pro-communist philanderer Martin Luther King� and refers to his �non-violent approach� as �(i.e., state violence).� The newsletter advises that, �if there is any issue the Republicans have in their favor for the next presidential election, it is the question of race. It was all over for Michael Dukakis when Jesse Jackson gave his awful prime-time speech at the last Democratic convention, and the cameras focused on masses of teary-eyed, left-wing blacks.� |
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What a pitiful attempt at slander. There's nothing racist about that. And you just believe every out-of-context news snippet you read in a partisan news rag written by liberal hacks? I bet you watch pro wrestling and think it's real too.
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| There's more if you'd like to read about it, or just bury your head in bizarre Japanese incest fantasy movies. |
This from a middle aged red neck with a nintendo game in his avatar  |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Old Gil wrote: |
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Oh Heavens! Ron Paul broke taboo.
Christ. Ok. Then I guess permanent war it is. Can't have anybody saying anything bad about the brothers. Best, stick with OMGOBAMA and permanent war. And hundreds of thousands of incarcerated blacks for non-violent crimes. But at least the The Big O does not say things that make emotionally crippled liberals upset. |
Yes, that's it. Ron Paul 'gets it'. He's a real ear to the ground kind of guy, just telling it like it is to the Nanny Goat Bureaucrats up in Taxachussets!!!! Too delicate to hear the facts, driving their imported cars and sipping their merlot. MAYBE IF THEY CAME DOWN FROM THEIR IVORY TOWERS LIMOUSINE LIBERALS MY COLD DEAD HANDS...an so on and so forth
You are flat out ridiculous. The man is a racist and a white supremacist. How does that make liberals emotionally crippled? What the hell does it have to do with Obama? Make a cogent farking point please. |
Here's a cogent point, troll: slander isn't worth seriously replying to. At least if you were somewhat witty we might roll with it, but you're just lame and predictable. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Old Gil wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
The Teaparty movement was started out by people like Ron Paul, and stood for real libertarian values like limiting the role of government, ending the Fed, stopping the unconstitutional wars, opposing bank bailouts and tax increases, and objecting to the socialization of our country.
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Screw Ron Paul, the man is a Bircher and a white supremacist.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/more-selections-ron-pauls-newsletters
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| In an article entitled �The Coming Race War,� The Ron Paul Political Report refers to the �pro-communist philanderer Martin Luther King� and refers to his �non-violent approach� as �(i.e., state violence).� The newsletter advises that, �if there is any issue the Republicans have in their favor for the next presidential election, it is the question of race. It was all over for Michael Dukakis when Jesse Jackson gave his awful prime-time speech at the last Democratic convention, and the cameras focused on masses of teary-eyed, left-wing blacks.� |
There's more if you'd like to read about it, or just bury your head in bizarre Japanese incest fantasy movies. |
So you pulled a snippet from a decades-old newsletter which was not even written by Ron Paul and which has already been more than adequately rebutted.
How about the fact that RP wants to end drug policies which will have the effect of freeing hundreds of thousand of blacks from prison? Wow, that's really racist!  |
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Old Gil
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
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Show me the rebuttals. I've shown the newsletters that he had no problem putting his name on and the racist survivalist, paranoid BullshEEt that he built his initial coalition on, so please, show me the rebuttals.
Any of you. |
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