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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject: Republican's Health Care |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/09/health/policy/09health.html
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As one way to encourage competition and drive down costs, Republican members of Congress want to make it easier for insurance companies to sell their policies across state lines, an idea included in a limited form in the Democratic bills.
Republicans would offer federal money as a reward to states that achieve specified reductions in premiums or in the number of people without insurance.
Republicans would provide federal money to states to establish and expand high-risk pools, for people with chronic illnesses who cannot find private insurance at an affordable price.
Republicans also contend that changes in state medical malpractice laws could lower costs and slow the growth of premiums. However, some of these proposals � like federal limits on damages for pain and suffering and punitive damages � are potentially in conflict with the Republicans� emphasis on federalism and state autonomy.
In contrast to the bills passed by the House and the Senate, which would remake the health care system, Republican leaders favor a more modest approach. |
I can't post the entire article, but go ahead and read.
I'm not going into specifics of what I think. I think the Republicans have some good ideas, and the Democrats have some good ideas. Its about time both parties sit down and go through all of the ideas and choose the best ones.
I think the Democrats are trying to do too much. The Republicans too little. Put them both together, find a middle ground and put out a plan that will be "just right". |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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I think a compromise bill would be perfect for right now, but I would like to see three very important riders included in it: 1) a temporary increase in federal funding for med school scholarships, 2) an expansion in the number of schools that can grant medical degrees, and 3) a firm date of, say, 6-10 years from now for implementing a permanent shift to a complete single-payer system.
Also, I'm really surprised Republicans keep pushing tort reform as a major issue, though I'll be even more surprised if Democrats screw their trial lawyer lobby base by conceding to it. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| I think a compromise bill would be perfect for right now, but I would like to see three very important riders included in it: 1) a temporary increase in federal funding for med school scholarships, 2) an expansion in the number of schools that can grant medical degrees, |
The federal government does not mandate the number of medical schools. Those which receive federal funding, however, must be accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education, a private professional organization. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Its about time both parties sit down and go through all of the ideas and choose the best ones.
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This is the first time I've seen you endorse an Obama idea. How do you feel about the GOP's possible boycott of the meeting? |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Why not generate more interest for Med students by having programs in High school?
Put aside Federal money to give to states who include a Medical related class to high school seniors. In the class the students can learn more about sickness, diseases, first aid, etc... They can learn about what it takes to become involved in medicine. The class can teach about all the different professions that are involved: doctors, nurses, specialists, radiologist, lab techs, pharmacy techs, etc...etc...
I think a lot of people have reservations about going into the Medical field. Some high school class to generate interest may payoff with more students going premed at University. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| geldedgoat wrote: |
| I think a compromise bill would be perfect for right now, but I would like to see three very important riders included in it: 1) a temporary increase in federal funding for med school scholarships, 2) an expansion in the number of schools that can grant medical degrees, |
The federal government does not mandate the number of medical schools. Those which receive federal funding, however, must be accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education, a private professional organization. |
I never said it did. I would like to see it start. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Put aside Federal money to give to states |
This would be a new expenditure. Where would the money come from? What other federal program(s) would you cut or which taxes would you raise? How would you answer the opponents that this suggested further expansion of government into education is a further expansion of government into education? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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The Health Care Summit: What If The GOP Doesn't Show?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/the-health-care-summit-what-if-the-gop-doesnt-show.html
The link has links to several different opinions about the situation. One of them leads to this:
Leading House Republicans raised the prospect Monday night that they might refuse to participate in President Obama's proposed health care summit if the White House chooses not to scrap the existing reform bills and start over.
In a letter to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (Ohio) and Minority Whip Eric Cantor (Va.) expressed frustration at reports that Obama intends to put the Democratic bills on the table for discussion at the Feb. 25 summit.
"If the starting point for this meeting is the job-killing bills the American people have already soundly rejected, Republicans would rightly be reluctant to participate," Boehner and Cantor wrote. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Why not generate more interest for Med students by having programs in High school? |
They exist. There are many high school programs which allow talented students to forego part of their daily classes in return for studying college-level courses focused on a particular profession, generally coupled with an internship related to said field. I did this, for instance, with biotechnology, but medicine was one of the possibilities. I think they're state rather than federally funded though. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| "If the starting point for this meeting is the job-killing bills the American people have already soundly rejected, Republicans would rightly be reluctant to participate," Boehner and Cantor wrote. |
Yep. The Democrats tried throwing around their political weight by locking Republicans out of key discussions, and now the Republicans are responding in kind. It'll be interesting to see how much this BS ends up hurting each party. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| "If the starting point for this meeting is the job-killing bills the American people have already soundly rejected, Republicans would rightly be reluctant to participate," Boehner and Cantor wrote. |
Yep. The Democrats tried throwing around their political weight by locking Republicans out of key discussions, and now the Republicans are responding in kind. It'll be interesting to see how much this BS ends up hurting each party. |
How do you feel the Democrats tried to lock Republicans out of key discussions? Democrats were boarderline desparate for a Republican willing to break ranks and just engage them. The reason there was so much hype for a while about Olympia Snowe is that she was participating in the process in a remotely constructive way. Any Republican seriously willing to stand up and say, "Hey, we may not agree on everything, but I'm willing to meet you half way between a total free market system and some sort of national health care plan," would have been mobbed by the Democrats and praised at every turn.
Instead, Republicans simply said, "No way." And if this is their position, that's fine, but it means it's utterly pointless to involve them in discussions, because you all ready know their answer: I won't vote for it. Why concede anything if it results in no additional votes?
I'm willing to see the Democrats criticized when they do wrong, but I really don't think they tried to lock Republicans out of the process at all. Indeed, it's actually Republicans who have locked themselves out of the process due to their aggressive and excessive demonization of the Democrats and their policy proposals. Once you've labelled the Democrats as job killing, old person killing, baby killing elites who are out of touch with reality, how can you do anything but resist them at every turn?
To be honest, if this pissing match resulted in both parties being totally devestated, I'd be pretty content. But more likely, it will result in anti-incumbency that will favor Republicans, and that's precisely why the Republicans are willing to do it. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:22 am Post subject: |
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I'm willing to see the Democrats criticized when they do wrong, but I really don't think they tried to lock Republicans out of the process at all. Indeed, it's actually Republicans who have locked themselves out of the process due to their aggressive and excessive demonization of the Democrats and their policy proposals. Once you've labelled the Democrats as job killing, old person killing, baby killing elites who are out of touch with reality, how can you do anything but resist them at every turn?
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I'd go farther. Dems, who mostly want single-payer, gave that up before negotiations even began, in an attempt to seem bipartisan. Then they gave up the public option.
The problem is, as Rep. Ryan has shown again this week, is that the GOP wants to destroy Medicare and Social Security. Not fix them. Destroy them.
The Dems are fools to negotiate with radicals like that. |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| the GOP wants to destroy Medicare and Social Security. Not fix them. Destroy them. |
Or leave them be, let them destroy America's finances and then blame government and have an excuse to rip apart social services. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: |
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The Health Care Summit: What If The GOP Doesn't Show?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/the-health-care-summit-what-if-the-gop-doesnt-show.html
The link has links to several different opinions about the situation. One of them leads to this:
Leading House Republicans raised the prospect Monday night that they might refuse to participate in President Obama's proposed health care summit if the White House chooses not to scrap the existing reform bills and start over.
In a letter to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (Ohio) and Minority Whip Eric Cantor (Va.) expressed frustration at reports that Obama intends to put the Democratic bills on the table for discussion at the Feb. 25 summit.
"If the starting point for this meeting is the job-killing bills the American people have already soundly rejected, Republicans would rightly be reluctant to participate," Boehner and Cantor wrote. |
The rejected fascist-socialist bills that the Demofascists of the House and Senate attempted to impose on the American public have been rejected by the majority of the American people. These bills are dead. They should not be on the table. They are not a rational starting point. They are an extreme fascist wet dream. The hidden spending in the bills has been revealed to be trillions of dollars more than stated. And forcing people to buy insurance is more evil than simple national health care on the European socialist model. |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:23 am Post subject: |
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If the Obama and the Dems are serious about changing the Healthcare bill to incorporate the best ideas from both parties, then I think it would be monumental.
However, if the Dems come to the table saying, "This is our FINAL version. We aren't changing a thing until you can prove another way would work better" then no way. The talks are pointless. |
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