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fezmond



Joined: 27 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
fezmond wrote:
mithridates

I understand you were already fluent in Japanese, so had a headstart with the grammar already, but how many hours would you say you worked on Korean per day?


About five when I was living in Japan, and then about fifteen a day during my first three-month stay here. Altogether it took about a year and a half.


15 hours a day? do you mean living at breathing it for 15 hours a day?
I salute you sir

I'm currently doing YBM 1-3 every weekend and and mayve a few hours a day recently. even live mocha but i feel so damn stupid as when the conversation deviates beyond what i recognise i seem screwed
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fezmond wrote:
mithridates wrote:
fezmond wrote:
mithridates

I understand you were already fluent in Japanese, so had a headstart with the grammar already, but how many hours would you say you worked on Korean per day?


About five when I was living in Japan, and then about fifteen a day during my first three-month stay here. Altogether it took about a year and a half.


15 hours a day? do you mean living at breathing it for 15 hours a day?
I salute you sir


Yeah, 24 hours minus seven hours of sleep and maybe two hours a day not studying. I counted just using Korean wherever as studying though, so it wasn't 15 hours of classroom study a day. It helped that I only had a single friend that spoke English. One of my favourite times was on the second day at the goshiwon where I hung out with some Chinese people that barely spoke Korean and a Korean guy that had spent a few years in China, so I had to ask him to translate into Korean for me so I could know what they were saying. It's great when you have a real need to use the language. There was also a girl from Shanghai at the goshiwon too and she was there to study Korean so that was our common language too, and all the Koreans there said we sounded really cute when we talked with each other since we were both still learning then. She would say things like 중구 for 중국.
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El Macho



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kinerry wrote:
Korean Made Easy is the best beginner book you can find.

http://koreanmadeeasyseries.blogspot.com/

Try Gwanghwamun station bookstore or the bookstore on Jeju island.
I liked these book the most, too.
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Dixon



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mithridates, you're an inspiration ^^
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chaz47



Joined: 11 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digging out this old post.

So, Mithridates, do you have a blog or something that covered your experience? I'm considering the same thing. I am curious about how much your language skills improved and how it has aided your life here?

After just over 7 years teaching here I would consider myself TOPIK 1. I have basic phrases, nouns, etc. Most of my more advanced skills center on classroom stuff, for example parts of speech or minor grammar explanation.

I am at the point where I might change countries but am reluctant to walk away from the ROK. Most people seem to believe that investing in some sort of MA will aid their advancement here, but I'm of the mind that a corporate training position would be easier with a better command of Korean.

Not to mention, 3 months of intense immersion sounds way better than 2 years of online study.
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hkfun



Joined: 05 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth, I've started using the Talk To Me In Korean website.

It's free, pretty fun, and they seem quite helpful. I'm not sure how much they have for more advanced learners (since I'm still a beginner), but I know I've seen at least some advanced stuff. They also talk about slang and answer questions, so that's always good.

And again, it's free. Very Happy
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
Digging out this old post.

So, Mithridates, do you have a blog or something that covered your experience?


I do now, just finished writing this a few hours ago:

http://www.pagef30.com/2013/02/how-i-learned-korean.html

I've been meaning to write something of this length for some time now as I get asked from time to time what it was like and there is no way to sum it up in a sentence or two.
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joelove



Joined: 12 May 2011

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, the MAX Livingtel. Brings back memories. Good link. Seems you learned so much in a short time, looking at the weeks or months instead of the hours and immersion. Frustrating as English and other languages are for so many people after years, but with just a few hours per week or so; too bad not everyone could use your approach, which looks like an insane amount of work and dedication, but pays off. Was it about 1000 hours in 3 months? No wonder 3 hours a week doesn't really cut it.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
chaz47 wrote:
Digging out this old post.

So, Mithridates, do you have a blog or something that covered your experience?


I do now, just finished writing this a few hours ago:

http://www.pagef30.com/2013/02/how-i-learned-korean.html

I've been meaning to write something of this length for some time now as I get asked from time to time what it was like and there is no way to sum it up in a sentence or two.


Nice write-up. Thanks for sharing.

- some guy who also used to go to 다방s for Korean practice.
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salutbonjour



Joined: 22 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a lot of dedication to learning both Japanese and Korean.

Personally I attended language school for a year to enable me to be conversational and now I'm learning a word here and there while talking with my girlfriend.

I think getting to conversational is the biggest hurdle. Getting to beyond simple greeting and introducing yourself. The next big barrier is being able to talk about pretty much anything.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joelove wrote:
Was it about 1000 hours in 3 months? No wonder 3 hours a week doesn't really cut it.


1000 hours is about right. For reference, here's the number of hours the DLI believes it takes to be proficient in certain languages:

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III/ The Defense Language Institute (DLI) has developed a separate foreign language difficulty scale (the "DLI scale") based on language relationships and "practical experience". The DLI scale has four categories.

Group I: About 575-600 hours.
Dutch/ French/ Italian/ Portuguese/ Romanian/ Scandinavian languages/ Spanish

Group I/II: German is between the above and below group, as it requires 750 hours

Group II: Approximately 1100 hours.
Albanian/ Amharic/Armenian, Azerbaijani, Georgian/ Slavic languages/ Greek/ Hebrew/ Hindi (all Indian languages belonging to the Indo-European branch)/ Hungarian/ Finnish/ Khmer/ Lao / Vietnamese/ Thai/ Burmese/ Baltic languages/ Mongolian/ Persian (Dari, Farsi, Tajik)/ Tagalog/ Turkish/ Uzbek/ Xhosa/ Zulu

Group III: Approximately 2200 hours.
Arabic/ Cantonese/ Mandarin/ Japanese/ Korean


I'm not sure what level of fluency they believe students should attain after this, whether it's just practical fluency or something higher.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Practical. DLI students tended to place into level 3 at Yonsei when I was there... My God that was twenty years ago... Where does the time go?

Nice post by the way. Brought back a lot of fond memories of pouring over studies in the coffee shops of Shinchon.
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joelove



Joined: 12 May 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:


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Group III: Approximately 2200 hours.
Arabic/ Cantonese/ Mandarin/ Japanese/ Korean



A lot of hours. Students who speak these need about as much time to become good at English, I guess? -- Seems like 10 or more years for the average student, maybe.
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Hugo85



Joined: 27 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joelove wrote:
mithridates wrote:


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Group III: Approximately 2200 hours.
Arabic/ Cantonese/ Mandarin/ Japanese/ Korean



A lot of hours. Students who speak these need about as much time to become good at English, I guess? -- Seems like 10 or more years for the average student, maybe.


Most language courses are 4 hours a day for a total of about 900 hours in a year considering vacation and off days. So about 2 years of pure class time.
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joelove



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many students are doing 20 hours a week for 2 years? I'd guess not many. I guess most of them are university students. Who has the time and money and motivation? That's why I suppose the average is much less, and the frustration pretty common. Reminding students how long (how many hours) it takes may help, or may sound discouraging. Just thinking if the average student is at about 4 hours a week, telling them it will take 10 years must be hard to accept. Kids might not even grasp the idea. I wonder how some do manage to become as good at the language as they do.
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