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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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 Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Gatsby wrote: |
| We're all aliens. |
Not necessarily as fictional as many may think it sounds. Recently they've dissected a rock from 40 years ago that crash landed here, to find many organic elements within which create life. the rock is determined to possibly be older than our own sun.
Intriguing *rubs chin* |
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tall_dave
Joined: 02 Nov 2009
Location: Songtan, S. Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Globutron wrote: |
| This is all taken from your basic physics books, and this is really the extreme shallow end of a very deep pool. awesome stuff...I think. |
Right, but if the probability exists for us to undergo this metamorphosis, against the odds, and there are billions of stars, I bet those odds are maybe even better for intelligent life to exist elsewhere. Remember, our solar system isn�t that old. Some of the ones out there have been around for millions of years longer than ours. Surely, you can surmise their evolution preceding ours. |
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CapnSamwise
Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said I believe there were identical carbon based beings, sucs as outselves, on other palnets. I just believe there are other living, forms of life capable of communication and transportation. |
I once read a compelling argument (dumbed down for the layman) that basically stated that any other lifeforms that had their own goldilocks zone could have conceivably evolved to a point where they entirely abandoned physical bodies and existed entirely as a sentient energy cloud.
Basically the dude ran down the various catastrophies that have afflicted human civilization, and posited what sort of accomplishments we'd have today if, say, we never lost the Libraries at Alexandria, or if Rome had never been sacked.
| Globutron wrote: |
This is all taken from your basic physics books, and this is really the extreme shallow end of a very deep pool. awesome stuff...I think.
*dies* |
Just an obvious warning, but this topic is less than ideal reading for a stormy midnight when all the lights in your house go out and you're alone and you don't particularly enjoy the feeling of the universe collapsing in upon your skull.
But it's awesome if you want to run screaming from your house into a torrential downpour so apocalyptic that you trip over something you'd never be able to see, not even during a cloudless day on high noon, and fall into an infinite void of stars. |
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tall_dave
Joined: 02 Nov 2009
Location: Songtan, S. Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said I believe there were identical carbon based beings, sucs as outselves, on other palnets. I just believe there are other living, forms of life capable of communication and transportation. |
This proves one thing; my typing sucks.
Ok now, where were we. Oh yeah, I think it's save to say I won the argument that the stars outside our universe contain planets and some of those planets contain intelligent life. |
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CapnSamwise
Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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I'm not saying they don't. I mean, my God, the sheer vastness of the universe boggles my mind.
I'm just saying the number of things that happened to be just right for life to happen on Earth are pretty statistically impossible. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| tall_dave wrote: |
| Globutron wrote: |
| This is all taken from your basic physics books, and this is really the extreme shallow end of a very deep pool. awesome stuff...I think. |
Right, but if the probability exists for us to undergo this metamorphosis, against the odds, and there are billions of stars, I bet those odds are maybe even better for intelligent life to exist elsewhere. Remember, our solar system isn�t that old. Some of the ones out there have been around for millions of years longer than ours. Surely, you can surmise their evolution preceding ours. |
Yeah definitely, billions of years longer. but it is very easy to see with today's technology that there aren't many galaxies around that are necessarily capable of such things, based on the sizes of their black holes, etc etc etc.
The ongoing theory so I hear, since multi-verses is the done thing now, that everything that can happen, will happen in an alternate or parallel universe. Our universe is perhaps one of many that is conditioned to provide life just for us, maybe.
Anyway, obviously there's no definite answer, I was just widening the perspective a little. |
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CapnSamwise
Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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And that's not even examining the possibility that all of life is one giant Holodeck simulation caused by sentient energy squids that got trapped within the photon array.
Basically I am hoping that when the simulation crashes I get to respawn as Janeway's bobby pin. |
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tall_dave
Joined: 02 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Globutron wrote: |
The ongoing theory so I hear, since multi-verses is the done thing now, that everything that can happen, will happen in an alternate or parallel universe. Our universe is perhaps one of many that is conditioned to provide life just for us, maybe.
Anyway, obviously there's no definite answer, I was just widening the perspective a little. |
And you have done a good job in widening the perspective; which brings us to another subject. What�s the possibility for an alternate dimension within this universe to exist? People have seen and photographed UFOs. I don�t know of anyone that�s traveled to another dimension and came back to talk about it coherently. I have tried slipping into another dimension of space and time, using the Crown and Coke method, and I believe I have succeeded but whenever I wake up my memory�s been wiped clean of all the things I have done and seen while there. |
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CapnSamwise
Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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I think you have the scale mixed up, dimensions are "bigger" than universes.
Here's a really interesting video on the subject, if you're curious: http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php |
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tall_dave
Joined: 02 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| CapnSamwise wrote: |
I think you have the scale mixed up, dimensions are "bigger" than universes.
Here's a really interesting video on the subject, if you're curious: http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php |
What is it they talk about when they speak of an "alternate reality?" |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| tall_dave wrote: |
| Globutron wrote: |
The ongoing theory so I hear, since multi-verses is the done thing now, that everything that can happen, will happen in an alternate or parallel universe. Our universe is perhaps one of many that is conditioned to provide life just for us, maybe.
Anyway, obviously there's no definite answer, I was just widening the perspective a little. |
And you have done a good job in widening the perspective; which brings us to another subject. What�s the possibility for an alternate dimension within this universe to exist? People have seen and photographed UFOs. I don�t know of anyone that�s traveled to another dimension and came back to talk about it coherently. I have tried slipping into another dimension of space and time, using the Crown and Coke method, and I believe I have succeeded but whenever I wake up my memory�s been wiped clean of all the things I have done and seen while there. |
Now I COULD go into this, but I have a tendency to ramble...ah hell with it i'll try and make it short again.
You may have hear of the Large Hadron Collider. If not, it's basically what I personally feel as the greatest man made structure and all round accomplishments of all time, depending on its success.
Billions of pounds from several nations and 27km of Switzerland has created the largest particle accelerator of all time. One of it's uses, anyway is to hopefully discover the ever-elusive 'graviton'.
Although It can't be seen directly, since it emits negative energy, its *absence* can be noted, by scanning a very brief drop in the Earth's gravity (edit: at that point... not the entire earth...that could be interesting) as the particles collide. If this is found (likely to take years of particle smashing), it will essentially prove the existence of other dimensions, and all of science will be turned on its head, religions will change, anarchy will ensue. Can't wait.
There are several other methods going on too but this is the most promising, only started up in... November I think. Maybe as late as January, I forget, but it's used for many other things too.
As for travelling to other dimensions, a long story short it ain't gonna happen for 100,000 - 100 million years should we still be alive, where we'll basically just be pure consciousness floating around space in atomic-sized capsules. it takes more energy than our Sun can provide to get an atom through a black hole.
If aliens are going to come and visit us, if not already, then they are way over 1 million years ahead of us.
Edit: I didn't even answer the question of possibility... I suppose that's because I don't know. As I said before it's the primary theory now. the only theory that has so far been flawless is String/M-theory, which includes 11 dimensions. Aka - the theory of everything. |
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CapnSamwise
Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Psh, XKCD debunked string theory years ago. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| CapnSamwise wrote: |
| Psh, XKCD debunked string theory years ago. |
Lol (do people lol here?) I remember that.
Luckily M-theory is to the rescue =P |
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machinoman
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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i am very skeptical of all things 'encounter'-related; if there is life intelligent enough to travel light-years to other universes, i suspect they would be no more interested in communicating with us than we are in communicating with lobsters in a deep sea trench. still, when i think of this topic i remember an article i read on wikipedia that weirds me out everytime i read it. its basically about a bizarre night in the 1950s, with lots of witnesses including the local police. to me, the scientific explanations proposed don't really jell with the events that seem to have occurred. i love wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly%E2%80%93Hopkinsville_encounter |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:06 am Post subject: |
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OK I'll bite. Here's my one time -honest to goodness- boring, but true UFO encounter:
I was in my early teens, twelve maybe, and I woke up at around 4:00 am to have a pee. It was a clear night, with a full moon. When I came back form the bathroom I noticed a bright light slowly moving around the moon. It was going vertically, then it turned horizontally 90 degrees. Turned 90 degrees again, then 45 degrees in various directions for at least an hour or so. I don't know what it was, but it did not travel like any aircraft I know. And I grew up in an airforce town, witnessing many air shows. What really surprised me was the speed; uncomonly slow believe it or not.
I woke up my father and we watched it for quite some time before it bored us and we both went back to bed. I wanted him to report it, but he could'nt be bothered.
And that's it. |
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