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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Obama's Minority Report Reply with quote

I told you he is worse than Bush!

President Obama has claimed a new executive power, that of "Prolonged Detention," for those who may commit future crimes, just like in the film Minority Report.

Watch Rachel Maddow's report.

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We�ve known this is on the horizon for many years, but we were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning.


Obama Is Said to Consider Preventive Detention Plan


By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
Published: May 20, 2009


WASHINGTON � President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a �preventive detention� system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.

The discussion, in a 90-minute meeting in the Cabinet Room that included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and other top administration officials, came on the eve of a much-anticipated speech Mr. Obama is to give Thursday on a number of thorny national security matters, including his promise to close the detention center at the naval base in Guant�namo Bay, Cuba.

Human rights advocates are growing deeply uneasy with Mr. Obama�s stance on these issues, especially his recent move to block the release of photographs showing abuse of detainees, and his announcement that he is willing to try terrorism suspects in military commissions � a concept he criticized bitterly as a presidential candidate.

The two participants, outsiders who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the session was intended to be off the record, said they left the meeting dismayed.

They said Mr. Obama told them he was thinking about �the long game� � how to establish a legal system that would endure for future presidents. He raised the issue of preventive detention himself, but made clear that he had not made a decision on it. Several senior White House officials did not respond to requests for comment on the outsiders� accounts.

�He was almost ruminating over the need for statutory change to the laws so that we can deal with individuals who we can�t charge and detain,� one participant said. �We�ve known this is on the horizon for many years, but we were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning.�

The other participant said Mr. Obama did not seem to be thinking about preventive detention for terrorism suspects now held at Guant�namo Bay, but rather for those captured in the future, in settings other than a legitimate battlefield like Afghanistan. �The issue is,� the participant said, �What are the options left open to a future president?�

Mr. Obama did not specify how he intended to deal with Guant�namo detainees who posed a threat and could not be tried, nor did he share the contents of Thursday�s speech, the participants said.

He will deliver the speech at a site laden with symbolism � the National Archives, home to the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Across town, his biggest Republican critic, former Vice President Dick Cheney, will deliver a speech at the American Enterprise Institute.

Mr. Cheney and other hawkish critics have sought to portray Mr. Obama as weak on terror, and their argument seems to be catching on with the public. On Tuesday, Senate Democrats, in a clear rebuke to the White House, blocked the $80 million Mr. Obama had requested in financing to close the Guant�namo prison.

The lawmakers say they want a detailed plan before releasing the money; there is deep opposition on Capitol Hill to housing terrorism suspects inside the United States.

�He needs to convince people that he�s got a game plan that will protect us as well as be fair to the detainees,� said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, who agrees with Mr. Obama that the prison should be closed. �If he can do that, then we�re back on track. But if he doesn�t make that case, then we�ve lost control of this debate.�

But Mr. Obama will not use the speech to provide the details lawmakers want.

�What it�s not going to be is a prescriptive speech,� said David Axelrod, Mr. Obama�s senior adviser. �The president wants to take some time and put this whole issue in perspective to identify what the challenges are and how he will approach dealing with them.�
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama Out-Bushes Bush on Preventive Detention

Submitted by Glen Ford on Wed, 05/27/2009 - 07:19

Constitutionality aside, Barack Obama's preventive detention proposal is "damn near criminally irresponsible" and "like lighting a match in a room full of gasoline." The United States was founded on the principle that "lesser" or "dangerous" peoples should be "detained" for the good of the nation - on reservations or in slavery. Were it not for "rampant race hatred directed against Arabs and spilling over to all Muslims...there would be no serious discussion of preventive detention in the United States, today." The nation's first Black president is provoking a racial whirlwind.

A Black Agenda Radio commentary by Glen Ford

�Calling for preventive detention in the United States is like lighting a match in a room full of gasoline.�

If George Bush had had the gall to propose changing the laws of the United States to allow people to be detained for long periods without even the intention of putting them on trial, progressives across the nation would be howling that the fascist hordes were at the gates. And they would be right. Even the do-nothing, scared-of-nearly-everything Congressional Black Caucus would be up in arms. George Bush and Dick Cheney empowered to imprison people without trial? Progressives everywhere would be justified in crying out against the threat to civilization as we know it. But when Barack Obama last week proposed the very same thing, preventive detention without trial, there was relative silence. People pretended it was just another Wednesday.

The best thing that can be said about President Obama�s preventive detention remarks is that they are damn near criminally irresponsible. Calling for preventive detention in the United States is like lighting a match in a room full of gasoline. No nation in the industrial world has a history more entwined with detention of whole classes of people, than the U.S. More Americans are incarcerated than any other inhabitants of the planet � in raw numbers, and as a percentage of population. African Americans alone make up one out of every eight prisoners on Earth, as a direct result of decades of deliberate public policy. Japanese Americans were detained for no crime but their ethnicity. Native Americans � those that were not killed outright � were forcibly �detained� on reservations that were in fact open-air prisons. Slavery was the greatest detention of all � a lifetime of house or field arrest, at hard labor, with no prospect of escape for oneself or one�s children � detention without trial for centuries.
�Slavery was the greatest detention of all.�

It was the deeply ingrained belief among whites in the necessity of lifetime Black detention under slavery that conditioned Americans to tolerating � or demanding � the harshest criminal justice system in the developed world. Race saturates the American criminal justice conversation � so much so, that one�s race has more impact than one�s crime on whether or not one is ultimately detained in a U.S. prison. Were it not for rampant race hatred directed against Arabs and spilling over to all Muslims, and to those who are mistaken for Muslims, there would be no serious discussion of preventive detention in the United States, today. We would not have witnessed the spectacle of almost the entire U.S. Senate figuratively jumping on top of tables, screaming in terror at the prospect of a few Guantanamo Bay inmates being transferred to maximum security prisons in their states. These senators were exhibiting a kind of primal fear that is both irrational and racist in nature � and a lot scarier than any combination of detainees pacing in a cell. This is America, land of everlasting detention, and preventive execution � where evidence has never been necessary.

Is President Obama aware of the racial whirlwind that he is unleashing with his talk of preventive detention? Or does he care? On thing is certain: on this issue, Obama has proven himself to be worse than George Bush.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

White House mulling indefinite detention


By JOSH GERSTEIN | 2/15/10


The White House is considering endorsing a law that would allow the indefinite detention of some alleged terrorists without trial as part of efforts to break a logjam with Congress over President Barack Obama�s plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday.

Last summer, White House officials said they had ruled out seeking a �preventive detention� statute as a way to deal with anti-terror detainees, saying the administration would hold any Guantanamo prisoners brought to the U.S. in criminal courts or under the general �law of war� principles permitting detention of enemy combatants.

However, speaking at a news conference in Greenville, S.C., Monday, Graham said the White House now seems open to a new law to lay out the standards for open-ended imprisonment of those alleged to be members of or fighters for Al Qaeda or the Taliban.

�We�re beginning to look at the idea we need to change our laws, come up with better guidance� for judges handling cases of enemy combatants, Graham said. �I�ve been talking to the administration for the last couple of days. I�m encouraged that we�re going to sit down and do some of the hard things we haven�t done as a nation after Sept. 11.�

�I think we need to change our laws to give our judges better guidance � rules of the road,� Graham said. �We need a statute to deal with that.�

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32998.html#ixzz0ftnWVFzS
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Last summer, White House officials said they had ruled out seeking a �preventive detention� statute as a way to deal with anti-terror detainees, saying the administration would hold any Guantanamo prisoners brought to the U.S. in criminal courts or under the general �law of war� principles permitting detention of enemy combatants.


So the fears provoked by previous articles you posted in this thread seem to have been proven baseless, and the current article consists of a Republican Senator pushing for indefinite detention, with the only allusion to the White House coming from, again, a Republican Senator giving his impressions.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Last summer, White House officials said they had ruled out seeking a �preventive detention� statute as a way to deal with anti-terror detainees, saying the administration would hold any Guantanamo prisoners brought to the U.S. in criminal courts or under the general �law of war� principles permitting detention of enemy combatants.


So the fears provoked by previous articles you posted in this thread seem to have been proven baseless, and the current article consists of a Republican Senator pushing for indefinite detention, with the only allusion to the White House coming from, again, a Republican Senator giving his impressions.

Yes, I suppose that is about the size of it. Just remember that sometimes policies do not take effect because of public outcry when the people are made aware of them, i.e. they may have proved baseless because the information was published widely. (I won't take credit for doing it singlehandedly! Laughing )
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Fox wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Last summer, White House officials said they had ruled out seeking a �preventive detention� statute as a way to deal with anti-terror detainees, saying the administration would hold any Guantanamo prisoners brought to the U.S. in criminal courts or under the general �law of war� principles permitting detention of enemy combatants.


So the fears provoked by previous articles you posted in this thread seem to have been proven baseless, and the current article consists of a Republican Senator pushing for indefinite detention, with the only allusion to the White House coming from, again, a Republican Senator giving his impressions.

Yes, I suppose that is about the size of it. Just remember that sometimes policies do not take effect because of public outcry when the people are made aware of them, i.e. they may have proved baseless because the information was published widely. (I won't take credit for doing it singlehandedly! Laughing )


That's reasonable enough. Simply summarizing the to-date situation.
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