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Korean women bullied out of preg leave, earn 38% less pay

 
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lille



Joined: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Korean women bullied out of preg leave, earn 38% less pay Reply with quote

Anyone surprised?


" Only about 35,000 parents in this country of 49 million people took advantage of child-care leave subsidies last year.

Additionally, added societal pressures increase the burdens on working women, who are supposed to still attend every whim of their husband, children, and extended families. If women do not make time for all the demands, they are labeled irresponsible or "bad women." The culture in South Korea has contributed to more and more young women postponing having a family until they are in their late 20s and 30s - but this has provided a new problem for the South Korean government.

Collapsing birthrates are alarming East Asian governments, which in coming years will face a demographic crunch as the proportion of pensioners rises and the number of working-age adults declines. South Korea, which has projected a population decline beginning in 2018, is scrambling to encourage childbirth with incentives including low-interest home loans for families with three or more children.

But for South Korean women, choosing to have children usually means falling off the career track. There is a 30 percent employment gap here between men and women, the fourth-largest gap in the world, after Turkey, Mexico and Greece. Even if women choose to stay on the job, they have no guarantees of career advancement."


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http://jezebel.com/5482891/south-korean-women-peer-pressured-into-passing-on-maternity-leave

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/28/AR2010022803287.html?wprss%3Drss_world⊂=AR
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kbit



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL

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"When you make more than the husband, you have to be careful not to hurt his pride," said Hwang, 38, who makes about $86,000 a year. "I make a point of getting a suggestion from him, when I buy my own clothes or a new aquarium for my son's fish."
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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hwang's husband declined to comment.


Wonder why? Maybe he couldn't publicly face the "shame" of his wife earning more than he does?

My (Korean) wife makes more than I do and I don't have a problem with it. But her female coworkers often have a hard time finding a man because men tend to avoid "professional" women here.

Don't know why so many Korean men try to get in a pissing contest with women. I'd like to see more from Hwang Myoung-eun. I hope she helps to shatter some stereotypes. Unfortunately, in a male-dominated society like Korea, that's unlikely to happen.
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jiberish



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is because korean women want men that earn more than them. My wifes ex boss pulled in over 150k a year and she refused to date anyone who made less than 200k...

When so many women want to get married and have children so they can become a housewife, does it matter?

About 70-80% of the women I meet want to meet a rich man so they can become a housewife. Big aspirations for people who study so hard...
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lille



Joined: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jiberish wrote:
That is because korean women want men that earn more than them. My wifes ex boss pulled in over 150k a year and she refused to date anyone who made less than 200k...

When so many women want to get married and have children so they can become a housewife, does it matter?

About 70-80% of the women I meet want to meet a rich man so they can become a housewife. Big aspirations for people who study so hard...


Not every Korean woman is your wife's ex-boss. It matters because women who want both a career and a family will so often be forced to choose one life or the other, while Korean men can enjoy both. It matters because women who are earnestly interested in pursuing a career are not being taken seriously or paid a living wage. It matters because pregnant women are quite literally being monetarily punished for performing a duty that Korean society expects of them (having a child).

Shall I go on?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lille wrote:
jiberish wrote:
That is because korean women want men that earn more than them. My wifes ex boss pulled in over 150k a year and she refused to date anyone who made less than 200k...

When so many women want to get married and have children so they can become a housewife, does it matter?

About 70-80% of the women I meet want to meet a rich man so they can become a housewife. Big aspirations for people who study so hard...


Not every Korean woman is your wife's ex-boss. It matters because women who want both a career and a family will so often be forced to choose one life or the other, while Korean men can enjoy both. It matters because women who are earnestly interested in pursuing a career are not being taken seriously or paid a living wage. It matters because pregnant women are quite literally being monetarily punished for performing a duty that Korean society expects of them (having a child).

Shall I go on?



Before going on you might want to consider some things:

If Korean society expects women to have children, why are more and more women in their 20's and 30's delaying having children? Doesn't seem like society cares all that much, not to mention that these women are part of "Korean society".

As for the W.P article, it seems like they are relying too heavily on one person (this Hwang character) to get a viewpoint.

Besides which talk to any feminist group in the West and they will say much the same things about Western women.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be very fine with my wife making mroe than me.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think society forces people of both genders to choose between family and career. I also think that this problem relates more to our corporate structure and consumer culture. It happens the world over and here in Korea it seems to be even more extreme for both genders.

Women have plenty of difficult decisions. Men too, many a guy wants to go home to their family but they are stuck in the office till ten, lest they get passed up for promotion and then their wife is giving them an earful. Society's gender obligation for them is that they work to the bone and then afterward spend time listening to their boss drunkenly sing.

Now I'll say something that is going to be unpopular but which might be true- IN GENERAL, I think it is very difficult for us to have our cake and eat it too when it comes to families and pursuing careers, and unfortunately, but in reality, it is extra-difficult for women. I think that another big part of the problem is that not living with our relatives in larger households (not as much of a problem in Korea) makes childcare even more difficult. The support network is much smaller now. I know its nice not live in a house where mommy or daddy tells you why you're wrong sometimes, but at the same time it does have its benefits.

The bottom line is its okay to make the choice to live a 21st century lifestyle or to pursue your career, but understand the trade-offs that come with it and accept them. Life is not always win-win.
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Easter Clark



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Men too, many a guy wants to go home to their family but they are stuck in the office till ten, lest they get passed up for promotion and then their wife is giving them an earful. Society's gender obligation for them is that they work to the bone and then afterward spend time listening to their boss drunkenly sing.


Just compare the maternity leave for a woman vs. "paternity" leave for a man:

3 months vs. 3 days. Granted the woman does have to recover physically, but give a man more than a couple of days off to spend with his new child / care for his ailing wife? Not gonna happen.
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kabrams



Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easter Clark wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Men too, many a guy wants to go home to their family but they are stuck in the office till ten, lest they get passed up for promotion and then their wife is giving them an earful. Society's gender obligation for them is that they work to the bone and then afterward spend time listening to their boss drunkenly sing.


Just compare the maternity leave for a woman vs. "paternity" leave for a man:

3 months vs. 3 days. Granted the woman does have to recover physically, but give a man more than a couple of days off to spend with his new child / care for his ailing wife? Not gonna happen.


3 months for your entire career, though? I mean, a man can bounce back, get promoted and keep on working without the stigma of being a "father". Meanwhile, the mom has to work and have food on the table for her husband when they're both probably tired as heck.

All of my female coworkers cook and clean at home even after they work.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
I'd be very fine with my wife making mroe than me.


Me too. In fact, I find such an idea actively desirable.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jiberish wrote:
That is because korean women want men that earn more than them. My wifes ex boss pulled in over 150k a year and she refused to date anyone who made less than 200k...


Surveys of western women show the same trend: women in general want men who earn more than they do, and high-earning women are, if anything, even more adamant that their man earn more.
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