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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:39 pm Post subject: Leaving PS, will it be on good terms? |
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I wanted to ask people's advice and hope I won't post too long.
So im the first ft at a technical hs, its been rough but i've adjusted pretty well. The kids have fun and i've started and provided a ton of resources to my school. after school programs, a library, study materials, placement tests, etc
I get along pretty well with all the teachers and admin. Work long hours and don't ask for over time or a budget for any of the programs I put together. And my school's made it known that they're bend over backwards to keep me.
But I've had a long and ongoing conflict with a co-teacher that for one reason or another is still here (I think he has tenure). Personality wise hes fine but in the classroom its just utterly miserable. And my problems are known among the staff but there aren't enough teachers to prevent me and him teaching together.
So I'm thinking of leaving for another school / province. But, I'm concerned they're give nasty feedback that whole face thing and I've read a lot of horror stories on here. So based on what i've written what do you think will happen? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Leaving PS, will it be on good terms? |
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winterfall wrote: |
I wanted to ask people's advice and hope I won't post too long.
So im the first ft at a technical hs, its been rough but i've adjusted pretty well. The kids have fun and i've started and provided a ton of resources to my school. after school programs, a library, study materials, placement tests, etc
I get along pretty well with all the teachers and admin. Work long hours and don't ask for over time or a budget for any of the programs I put together. And my school's made it known that they're bend over backwards to keep me.
But I've had a long and ongoing conflict with a co-teacher that for one reason or another is still here (I think he has tenure). Personality wise hes fine but in the classroom its just utterly miserable. And my problems are known among the staff but there aren't enough teachers to prevent me and him teaching together.
So I'm thinking of leaving for another school / province. But, I'm concerned they're give nasty feedback that whole face thing and I've read a lot of horror stories on here. So based on what i've written what do you think will happen? |
I see no reason why you couldn't leave on good terms so long as they liked you and you didn't give them any reason to dislike you. For example don't say "I'm leaving because of Teacher X" say something like "I'm leaving to pursue professional development, (but I had a great time here and really enjoyed it.") or something equally vague and non-committal.
Never had a problem getting a good reference (except at one hakwon...but that's another story.) and that's what I do. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Leaving PS, will it be on good terms? |
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winterfall wrote: |
I wanted to ask people's advice and hope I won't post too long.
So im the first ft at a technical hs, its been rough but i've adjusted pretty well. The kids have fun and i've started and provided a ton of resources to my school. after school programs, a library, study materials, placement tests, etc
I get along pretty well with all the teachers and admin. Work long hours and don't ask for over time or a budget for any of the programs I put together. And my school's made it known that they're bend over backwards to keep me.
But I've had a long and ongoing conflict with a co-teacher that for one reason or another is still here (I think he has tenure). Personality wise hes fine but in the classroom its just utterly miserable. And my problems are known among the staff but there aren't enough teachers to prevent me and him teaching together.
So I'm thinking of leaving for another school / province. But, I'm concerned they're give nasty feedback that whole face thing and I've read a lot of horror stories on here. So based on what i've written what do you think will happen? |
how many coteachers do you have? is this guy your handler?
if it's just one, it might be bearable. I have three and out of those three there's one whom I don't like nearly as much as the other two, though I manage to keep at least a decent working relationship and I still run the classroom.
if your school really likes you and you like the school you can request to simply teach those classes alone if it's that much of a hassle for you. You can discuss this with your handler, dept head, who'd then probably take it to the vp. Try to do it in a manner where the coteacher wouldn't lose too much face (think up of the least damning excuse for not wanting him to work with you)
Ultimately whether you want to stay or not where you're at is a decision only you can make. I wouldn't keep on putting in the long unrewarded hours, especially if they made you deskwarm over school vacation. (did they?) but that's your personal decision to make.
urban myth's advice was spot on, should you choose to leave.
just remember that each and every school is basically a diceroll, and that also depends on which brass happens to be at which school at the moment.
You may like your new roll of the dice, but you may not. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for both of your advices. I�ll have to weigh it carefully. Do future employers give extra points of qualification for former tech school teachers? Lol, hagwons in particular. I still haven�t made up my mind if I�m gonna leave and where I�m headed.
I�ve got 5 co-teachers. I already teach by myself by hand (no projectors of any kind) mostly worksheets to introduce vocab & reinforce or a project with vocab and a wrap up speaking game. Extended speaking just doesn�t work. Teachers just sit in the back of the room and do nothing. It's an agreement we've worked out for the best. At the minimum, I need their presence to manage the class even if they do something else.
But with that other co-teacher its unfortunately gotten to the unbearable point: sabotaging classes (Sometimes by malcious intent, others just because of his personality) Fortunately hes not my dept head though he likes to act like it (hes the oldest so there's not much anyone can do except bear with it and/or overload his workload which makes him more unpleasant than usual) And VP and others have already talked to him, there�s also been a lot of student & parent complaints. But, everything circles back to his attitude. I don�t want to get nasty so I�ll just leave it at that.
But overall I don't mind the extra work, being at a tech school, all these kids are at-risk youth so there's not much you can really accomplish in the classroom especially with the once a week deal. Even if you teach basic vocab, they�re forget by the next week. Only thing you can do is just inspire them and make as many things available for when they eventually decide to study on their own.
Yea still haven't made up my mind, they let me out of desk warming except during testing weeks. But another reason for leaving is, I guess I'm gonna sound like a weakling but the emotional strain of dealing with these kids all the time is starting to get to me. All of them are from broken homes and they bring whatever baggage they've got with them to school. |
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Cerberus
Joined: 29 Oct 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:03 am Post subject: |
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winterfall wrote: |
Thanks for both of your advices. I�ll have to weigh it carefully. Do future employers give extra points of qualification for former tech school teachers? Lol, hagwons in particular. I still haven�t made up my mind if I�m gonna leave and where I�m headed.
I�ve got 5 co-teachers. I already teach by myself by hand (no projectors of any kind) mostly worksheets to introduce vocab & reinforce or a project with vocab and a wrap up speaking game. Extended speaking just doesn�t work. Teachers just sit in the back of the room and do nothing. It's an agreement we've worked out for the best. At the minimum, I need their presence to manage the class even if they do something else.
But with that other co-teacher its unfortunately gotten to the unbearable point: sabotaging classes (Sometimes by malcious intent, others just because of his personality) Fortunately hes not my dept head though he likes to act like it (hes the oldest so there's not much anyone can do except bear with it and/or overload his workload which makes him more unpleasant than usual) And VP and others have already talked to him, there�s also been a lot of student & parent complaints. But, everything circles back to his attitude. I don�t want to get nasty so I�ll just leave it at that.
But overall I don't mind the extra work, being at a tech school, all these kids are at-risk youth so there's not much you can really accomplish in the classroom especially with the once a week deal. Even if you teach basic vocab, they�re forget by the next week. Only thing you can do is just inspire them and make as many things available for when they eventually decide to study on their own.
Yea still haven't made up my mind, they let me out of desk warming except during testing weeks. But another reason for leaving is, I guess I'm gonna sound like a weakling but the emotional strain of dealing with these kids all the time is starting to get to me. All of them are from broken homes and they bring whatever baggage they've got with them to school. |
believe me I hear you (I have students very similar to yours) so many of the things you say really strike home.
not sure what to say about your adjosshi troublemaker and I'm still not exactly sure exactly what he does to sabotage your class. I haven't had this issue, even with an older adjosshi myself last year, but he was a temp and I'm a slightly older guy. No sane adjosshi in that school messes with me. (and if there are any insane ones, they haven't messed with me either)
many/most of my students are from broken homes as well, yet I rarely see that particular "baggage", probably because I can't speak/understand Korean and because I can keep a good basic sense of discipline in my classes by various means (intimidation usually works, there are other "ways" )
These are the kinds of things their homeroom teachers usually have to deal with. E.g. one girl dropped out of school and illegally went to work in a factory last year because of issues with her step-father and she' was one of my best English students. I then heard she'd come in hungover on soju (I could never tell), etc.
Teaching these students can be incredily challenging and it's definitely frustrating... it runs in cycles.. you usually get incredibly frustrated after several months, then you read others in similar situations and you get over it by doing the best you can and that inspiration quote of yours was fantastic - spot on. That's what I strive for more than anything else for most of them.
I don't think you get any brownie points for tekkie students, except perhaps at another tekkie hs..
well - I'm sure you'll take the time to think it all thru and make the right decision for you. I wish you all the best.
p.s. deskwarming during exam weeks isn't deskwarming - school is in sesssion. though in my school every teacher gets to go home early (after lunch) 2 out of those days.
If they didn't make you deskwarm in August, or January.. or even those last 2 weeks of Feb... that's a pretty valuable thing in the current Korean landscape. |
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