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Korean Taxes for Hagwon Teachers

 
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s.mackesey



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Korean Taxes for Hagwon Teachers Reply with quote

While there is another thread about taxes near the top of the list at the moment, this thread is polluted with IRS jargon and is mostly about US tax payments. I want this new thread to answer some specific questions. First:

What taxes does the average one-year hagwon teacher have to pay to the KOREAN GOVERNMENT, and how are those taxes normally paid?

Note that this is not about tax payments to the US Government. Please do not post that information on this thread.

I know that there is a "tax treaty" between the US and Korean governments. From other threads I got the impression that this only applies to public school and university teachers (members of "recognized educational institutions" or some such phrase). Am I mistaken in this?

A few more specific questions:
1) Does a hagwon teacher have to file any sort of tax return, or should that be handled by their employer?
2) Exactly what taxes should be withheld from a hagwon teacher's monthly pay?
3) Is a hagwon teacher entitled to a refund of any of that withheld money at the end of the year?
4) If (3) is true, is it refunded by their employer or the Korean government?


Regarding question (2), my impression is that income tax and something called 'national pension' are withheld, but I'm not sure if these are the same thing. I'm also not sure what the exact percentage should be.

Thanks in advance to the Dave's Community. In Job Discussion, let's try to maintain good, clean threads that stay short and answer clear and simple questions! There's a lot of good information on this site, but much of it is buried underneath mounds of garbage.

EDIT: Here is a document from the Korean National Tax Service aiming to make Korean tax law easier for foreigners to understand. This cleared up some things for me, but I don't think it does a great job...
http://www.nts.go.kr/eng/nts/nts_01.asp?minfoKey=MINF7220080211223559&type=V#
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean Taxes for Hagwon Teachers Reply with quote

s.mackesey wrote:
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What taxes does the average one-year hagwon teacher have to pay to the KOREAN GOVERNMENT, and how are those taxes normally paid?



A few more specific questions:
1) Does a hagwon teacher have to file any sort of tax return, or should that be handled by their employer?
2) Exactly what taxes should be withheld from a hagwon teacher's monthly pay?
3) Is a hagwon teacher entitled to a refund of any of that withheld money at the end of the year?
4) If (3) is true, is it refunded by their employer or the Korean government?






In answer to your first question you should be aware that the tax rates were supposed to change this year so you might want to check directly with the tax office on that one. Assuming that this hasn't taken effect yet check here.

http://nts.go.kr/eng/help/help_52.asp

the taxes are normally paid by deduction from your pay (which the employer does).


As for the rest:

1. Generally the employer handles that though I have heard of teachers having to do it themselves.


2. Income taxes, residence tax, pension and medical insurance.


3. Only pension as far as I know. But it depends on several variables such as income, dependents...




4. You have to go to the pension office and file for it. And pension should be around 4.5% of your monthly salary. The employer is required to match that...making it a even 9%, and you get that all back at contract's end. Keep in mind that many hakwons do not offer this (illegal) and will try to scam you on this issue.

Also keep in mind that this information is based on data that may have changed (see my answer to your very first question).
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tired of LA



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have received a tax refund the previous two years while working at a hagwon. After my employer filed my tax return, they would give me my tax refund a few months later.

I'm not sure about the laws pertaining to tax returns, but from my experience, hagwon teachers must file a tax return, usually handled by their employer, and are eligble for a tax refund if they qualify, refunded to them by their employer.

Now all this might have changed this year though, due to the new tax laws. Not sure how is affected everything.
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s.mackesey



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks people for the responses.

A few more things need clarification:

So that I understand the pension correctly...
If my monthly salary is 2.1 million won, then 4.5% of that is deducted and goes to pension. So we deduct W94500 a month. My employer has to match that number, so he also pays W94500 each month. Now at the end of the year, am I entitled to all of this money, i.e. mine + the employer's? That is, should I be able to claim (94500 + 94500) * 12 = W2,268,000?

Or am I incorrect, and am only entitled to the half of that that was withheld from my paycheck?

Second, do employers usually handle the application at the pension office, or is that something hagwon teachers have to do themselves?

Third, when do those tax returns come in? I assume they come back for everyone at the same time?

Finally, if pension is 4.5% of salary withheld, what is the TOTAL amount of salary withheld, including the pension, residence, and income taxes. I assume pension and income taxes are based on your salary, while health insurance and residence tax are flat.

Thanks again to all you knowledgeable people.


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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

s.mackesey wrote:
Thanks people for the responses.

A few more things need clarification:

So that I understand the pension correctly...
If my monthly salary is 2.1 million won, then 4.5% of that is deducted and goes to pension. So we deduct W94500 a month. My employer has to match that number, so he also pays W94500 each month. Now at the end of the year, am I entitled to all of this money, i.e. mine + the employer's? That is, should I be able to claim (94500 + 94500) * 12 = W2,268,000?

Or am I incorrect, and am only entitled to the half of that that was withheld from my paycheck?

Second, do employers usually handle the application at the pension office, or is that something hagwon teachers have to do themselves?

Third, when do those tax returns come in? I assume they come back for everyone at the same time?

Finally, if pension is 4.5% of salary withheld, what is the TOTAL amount of salary withheld, including the pension, residence, and income. I assume pension and income are based on your salary, while health insurance and residence tax are flat.

Thanks again to all you knowledgeable people.


You are entitled to the whole thing. However as a foreigner you get a 30% tax deduction on your taxes. Some places therefore calculate your pension deduction on the taxable amount of your salary (70% and this is legal BTW) which means your pension lump sum will be smaller.

You have to do the pension thing yourself. Not to worry it's easy...when it comes time to do that (at contract's end) there are plenty of knowledgeable people here who can help you.

Can't help you with tax returns...never got them so don't know about that.

Total amount of salary varies based on income. However for the AVERAGE person it seems to be between 10-12% (ball-park figure). One thing you should figure out is if your employer is registering you as an employee (which makes your taxes about 2% roughly) or as an independent contractor (which means you pay 3.3% and pay for your own health insurance and pension). This would of course increase the deductions from your salary.

The final thing to keep in mind is that the tax laws may have changed this year, so the information above may not be totally correct. As I suggested before the tax office would be the best place to get up-to-date information.
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
However as a foreigner you get a 30% tax deduction on your taxes. Some places therefore calculate your pension deduction on the taxable amount of your salary (70% and this is legal BTW) which means your pension lump sum will be smaller.


From January 1st, 2010, foreigners do not get the 30% tax deduction (exemption), therefore calculating pension on 70% which was never legal, now has no basis at all.

I have heard from a friend that who works for one of the big adult chains that they haven't sorted this out yet, as pension should increase (if your school was scamming) and so should your tax withholding amount. I expect in 5 months they will have a big panic, and take all the amounts in 1 hit from the teachers pay.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
However as a foreigner you get a 30% tax deduction on your taxes. Some places therefore calculate your pension deduction on the taxable amount of your salary (70% and this is legal BTW) which means your pension lump sum will be smaller.


From January 1st, 2010, foreigners do not get the 30% tax deduction (exemption), therefore calculating pension on 70% which was never legal, now has no basis at all.

I have heard from a friend that who works for one of the big adult chains that they haven't sorted this out yet, as pension should increase (if your school was scamming) and so should your tax withholding amount. I expect in 5 months they will have a big panic, and take all the amounts in 1 hit from the teachers pay.


Funnily enough according to some people on here who complained, the pension office regards it as completely legal. And as for those proposed tax changes it was said they may be extended to 2012...I hadn't heard that it had been implemented.

However I am sure you can provide a link which shows this pension deduction is illegal and that these laws have been put in place.

Thanks.
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s.mackesey



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks TheUrbanMyth for all of the clear information.

Do you (or anyone else) know of an official document detailing the pension system? If so, could you link to it? I'd like to have such a document available when discussing the pension with my employer. I think only something like 5% of my income has been withheld. It seems like he's probably doing something illegal.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

s.mackesey wrote:
Thanks TheUrbanMyth for all of the clear information.

Do you (or anyone else) know of an official document detailing the pension system? If so, could you link to it? I'd like to have such a document available when discussing the pension with my employer. I think only something like 5% of my income has been withheld. It seems like he's probably doing something illegal.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/17322855/Employee-Retirement-Benefit-Security-Act

Not sure how helpful that is, but it's the closest thing (in English) I could find
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
However as a foreigner you get a 30% tax deduction on your taxes. Some places therefore calculate your pension deduction on the taxable amount of your salary (70% and this is legal BTW) which means your pension lump sum will be smaller.


From January 1st, 2010, foreigners do not get the 30% tax deduction (exemption), therefore calculating pension on 70% which was never legal, now has no basis at all.

I have heard from a friend that who works for one of the big adult chains that they haven't sorted this out yet, as pension should increase (if your school was scamming) and so should your tax withholding amount. I expect in 5 months they will have a big panic, and take all the amounts in 1 hit from the teachers pay.


Funnily enough according to some people on here who complained, the pension office regards it as completely legal. And as for those proposed tax changes it was said they may be extended to 2012...I hadn't heard that it had been implemented.

However I am sure you can provide a link which shows this pension deduction is illegal and that these laws have been put in place.

Thanks.

As far as the tax situation go to http://www.austchamkorea.org/news/view.php?sq=198&page=2&where_encode=IHdoZXJlIDE= and open the pdf file at the bottom.

The 30% is now gone.

I don't believe a lack of enforcement from the pension office makes an action legal. My basis for this assumption is that health insurance on calculated on 100% of the foreigners income (including housing allowances), but it was okay to calculate pension on 70%???????
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
However as a foreigner you get a 30% tax deduction on your taxes. Some places therefore calculate your pension deduction on the taxable amount of your salary (70% and this is legal BTW) which means your pension lump sum will be smaller.


From January 1st, 2010, foreigners do not get the 30% tax deduction (exemption), therefore calculating pension on 70% which was never legal, now has no basis at all.

I have heard from a friend that who works for one of the big adult chains that they haven't sorted this out yet, as pension should increase (if your school was scamming) and so should your tax withholding amount. I expect in 5 months they will have a big panic, and take all the amounts in 1 hit from the teachers pay.


Funnily enough according to some people on here who complained, the pension office regards it as completely legal. And as for those proposed tax changes it was said they may be extended to 2012...I hadn't heard that it had been implemented.

However I am sure you can provide a link which shows this pension deduction is illegal and that these laws have been put in place.

Thanks.

As far as the tax situation go to http://www.austchamkorea.org/news/view.php?sq=198&page=2&where_encode=IHdoZXJlIDE= and open the pdf file at the bottom.

The 30% is now gone.


I don't believe a lack of enforcement from the pension office makes an action legal. My basis for this assumption is that health insurance on calculated on 100% of the foreigners income (including housing allowances), but it was okay to calculate pension on 70%???????


Health insurance and pension are two different agencies. And keep in mind that health insurance=money in the government's pocket while pension=money out of the government's pocket (if you work in public school).

Anyway if this 30% exemption is gone, the pension office is going to have to start calculating for 100% of salary from now on which is good news.

Thanks for the link BTW.
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