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madowlspeaks
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 Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:39 pm Post subject: How does your school treat people w/ TESOL/English Degree? |
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How does your employer treat people with a Masters in Education or TESOL?
There seems to be a preference for these degree holders, but how are people with these degrees actually treated once they are hired?
Some people think good/equal/special treatment (meaning: getting asked from the boss to do extra work with good pay, being treated as a professional, making equal if not the same amount of money as co-workers without this degree) boils down to 'it is not what you know it is who you know and how much back stabbing and ass-kissing one does that gets them ahead in the end.'
What's the deal? Are these degrees not even recognized?
What are the perks of getting a TESOL degree (other than the obvious of enhancing professional development)? Why are these degrees favored if internal recognition is sometimes non-existent?
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makemischief
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From my experience, these degrees are recognized (looked favorably upon) when they are combined with evidence of good teaching. I think like any degree, alone, absent a record of good teaching and/or scholarship, they aren't worth much. Cheers!
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madowlspeaks
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| makemischief wrote: |
From my experience, these degrees are recognized (looked favorably upon) when they are combined with evidence of good teaching. I think like any degree, alone, absent a record of good teaching and/or scholarship, they aren't worth much. Cheers!
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How does one get 'evidence' of good teaching? |
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frankly speaking
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Having these degrees does often put you in a better chance for higher pay and better schools.
But your question is how will they be treated once they are hired. Teachers need to perform. You will not be given special treatment if you cannot do the job. Having a degree doesn't necessarily transfer to being a better teacher. Some schools will not know how to effectively manage their staff. I have worked for some schools where newbies with no real skills or qualifications were teaching advanced classes and experienced teachers with masters were doing phonics lessons with 7 year olds.
If you are lucky and have a good academic director that knows how to manage his/her staff, you will be alright.
Just like any job the degree and qualifications get you in the door, your ability in the classroom set you apart and let you keep it. |
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madowlspeaks
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Some schools will not know how to effectively manage their staff. I have worked for some schools where newbies with no real skills or qualifications were teaching advanced classes and experienced teachers with masters were doing phonics lessons with 7 year olds.
If you are lucky and have a good academic director that knows how to manage his/her staff, you will be alright.
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Case in point. |
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djsmnc
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Thanks to my M.Ed. and TESOL certification I have been given a black, no-limit credit card, an Armani phone with the bills covered, and VIP admission to the organization president's very own "business" club.
Not really, of course, but my input seems to be highly valued and opportunities plentiful. Actually, the current decent-enough position I have was taken in haste because of a previously unfortunate situation, but I will definitely be working my credentials at renewal time or when a new position comes along. Especially since my positive track-record is proven and I have had a few offers for attractive jobs elsewhere.
As mentioned, though,
Degree(s) + experience + attitude and ability = respect and/or promotions |
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madowlspeaks
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
Thanks to my M.Ed. and TESOL certification I have been given a black, no-limit credit card, an Armani phone with the bills covered, and VIP admission to the organization president's very own "business" club.
Not really, of course, but my input seems to be highly valued and opportunities plentiful. Actually, the current decent-enough position I have was taken in haste because of a previously unfortunate situation, but I will definitely be working my credentials at renewal time or when a new position comes along. Especially since my positive track-record is proven and I have had a few offers for attractive jobs elsewhere.
As mentioned, though,
Degree(s) + experience + attitude and ability = respect and/or promotions |
Take your equation, work at my friends school for a year, and then let me know your new equation.  |
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frankly speaking
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OP why are you trolling?
At first I thought your question was genuine, but since you only question and or criticize the responses, it makes me think.
What is your purpose? |
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madowlspeaks
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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OP why are you trolling?
At first I thought your question was genuine, but since you only question and or criticize the responses, it makes me think.
What is your purpose? |
Frankly, I agreed with what you said. It IS a genuine question.
Apparently my sarcasm is not coming through. No one is trolling. |
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Street Magic
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| madowlspeaks wrote: |
| frankly speaking wrote: |
OP why are you trolling?
At first I thought your question was genuine, but since you only question and or criticize the responses, it makes me think.
What is your purpose? |
Frankly, I agreed with what you said. It IS a genuine question.
Apparently my sarcasm is not coming through. No one is trolling. |
I don't think you're trolling, but you do seem to have some serious confirmation bias going on. You've thus far questioned or otherwise ignored points about the role of the teacher's performance while having agreed wholeheartedly with the one part of frankly speaking's post that focused on the possibility of the employer's mismanagement.
That isn't to say that the vast majority of situations where those with advanced degrees get treated poorly aren't the fault of the employer's mismanagement, it's just that if you want to get close to the real picture of how things are it probably isn't a great idea to only encourage the responses that support the view you started out with. |
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madowlspeaks
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Street Magic wrote: |
| madowlspeaks wrote: |
| frankly speaking wrote: |
OP why are you trolling?
At first I thought your question was genuine, but since you only question and or criticize the responses, it makes me think.
What is your purpose? |
Frankly, I agreed with what you said. It IS a genuine question.
Apparently my sarcasm is not coming through. No one is trolling. |
I don't think you're trolling, but you do seem to have some serious confirmation bias going on. You've thus far questioned or otherwise ignored points about the role of the teacher's performance while having agreed wholeheartedly with the one part of frankly speaking's post that focused on the possibility of the employer's mismanagement.
That isn't to say that the vast majority of situations where those with advanced degrees get treated poorly aren't the fault of the employer's mismanagement, it's just that if you want to get close to the real picture of how things are it probably isn't a great idea to only encourage the responses that support the view you started out with. |
Thanks. I agree.
However, in this case, the teachers performance is not in question because the student evaluations (the evaluations where the students evaluate the teachers performance) have always come back with an above average score. Perhaps that's why the points related to role of the teacher's performance were ignored. |
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Ukon
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: How does your school treat people w/ TESOL/English Degre |
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| madowlspeaks wrote: |
How does your employer treat people with a Masters in Education or TESOL?
There seems to be a preference for these degree holders, but how are people with these degrees actually treated once they are hired?
Some people think good/equal/special treatment (meaning: getting asked from the boss to do extra work with good pay, being treated as a professional, making equal if not the same amount of money as co-workers without this degree) boils down to 'it is not what you know it is who you know and how much back stabbing and ass-kissing one does that gets them ahead in the end.'
What's the deal? Are these degrees not even recognized?
What are the perks of getting a TESOL degree (other than the obvious of enhancing professional development)? Why are these degrees favored if internal recognition is sometimes non-existent? |
I have a friend with a M. Ed...his boss tries crap on him despite that....however he has all the employment options in the world and can press the boss if need be....
A M.ed with TESOL can make bank in many countries...they don't work for your run of the mill kiddy hagwon unless they're being paid very highly(over 3 mil at least) or own it. As far as Master degrees that are actually profitable, TESOL sounds like a great deal if your doing it as a career. Any master degree holder getting bossed around by Mr Kim in a wonderland is a moron. |
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Draz
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| frankly speaking wrote: |
Just like any job the degree and qualifications get you in the door, your ability in the classroom set you apart and let you keep it. |
Really?? Not in my experience/observations. |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:06 am Post subject: Re: How does your school treat people w/ TESOL/English Degre |
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| Ukon wrote: |
| madowlspeaks wrote: |
How does your employer treat people with a Masters in Education or TESOL?
There seems to be a preference for these degree holders, but how are people with these degrees actually treated once they are hired?
Some people think good/equal/special treatment (meaning: getting asked from the boss to do extra work with good pay, being treated as a professional, making equal if not the same amount of money as co-workers without this degree) boils down to 'it is not what you know it is who you know and how much back stabbing and ass-kissing one does that gets them ahead in the end.'
What's the deal? Are these degrees not even recognized?
What are the perks of getting a TESOL degree (other than the obvious of enhancing professional development)? Why are these degrees favored if internal recognition is sometimes non-existent? |
Any master degree holder getting bossed around by Mr Kim in a wonderland is a moron. |
For sure. There is a very large pool of jobs and schools that completely flew off my radar as I was about to finish up my Master's. I won't work anywhere in Korea that isn't going to look good on paper in the future. I decided on that long before even considering a Master's, but once you have earned the degree, you will really start to look at the Dave's job posting sections like they are censored/Top Secret US Government UFO files from the 1950's with most ads being hypothetically blacked out. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| madowlspeaks wrote: |
| makemischief wrote: |
From my experience, these degrees are recognized (looked favorably upon) when they are combined with evidence of good teaching. I think like any degree, alone, absent a record of good teaching and/or scholarship, they aren't worth much. Cheers!
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How does one get 'evidence' of good teaching? |
Little thing called references....along with perhaps a teaching portfolio. |
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