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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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It looks to me that you can get a job; you're just being picky. There's nothing wrong with being picky, but according to common sense, you can't expect to get snatched up right away when you have so many demands. I mean, is 1.9 such a low salaray for someone with only one year experience? I'm not saying you couldn't get more (you probably could), but I wouldn't call that unacceptably low for you.
Again, if you insist on having 2.0 to make it worth your while, then you should hold out for it if that's what you really need, but by doing so, you have to accept that it may take some time to find it. I think what you need to do is consider how desparate you are to find a job right away and factor that into your decision-making process next time you get a job offer. |
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Toby
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: why can't I get a job? |
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[quote="Kwangjuchicken"][quote="inexhile"]
Second,
Third,
Forth, Even if it is free, ......."[/quote]
Can I study in your school of spelling please? |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| I mean, is 1.9 such a low salaray for someone with only one year experience? |
I made that much with no experience of any kind almost three years ago. |
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inexhile
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I would take 1.9 if the location and job was right. The reason I turned it down was they just would not tell me how many classes a day I would teach, and alleged they had 2 other foreign teachers, but could not supply me their e-mails. |
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shawner88
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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I'll tell you some things that made me NOT email people back when I was head hunting for my school:
Guys who ask about the dress code and say they don't wanna wear a tie. That says something right there.
People who say, well I am worth XXX amount of money...offer me this and I'll consider applying to your school. - Bascially this attitude is the person thinks they are God's gift to ESL or that cause they have a year or two they are worth more money than I make.
People who try to play job against job. I know my school is better than 90% of the jobs out there. If someone doesn't want to be serious, I'll let a serious candidate take their place.
I am not sure if you have done any of the following. Single housing and no kindy aren't really big demands IMO. If you are flexible on your schedule and pay/vacation it shouldn't be too hard to find a job.
If Pusan is where you want to be, how about go down there and hit the pavement? |
Remind me not to apply to this school.  |
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keroleen
Joined: 20 Mar 2003
Location: Scarborough/Coquitlam
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 8:54 am Post subject: |
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hi ppl
Thanks for all the opinions and input abuot this topic. I am seriously considering coming to Korea in September 2004.
Now I want to ask:
Realistically, when should i start applying? I started to apply around now and im told its wayyyyy too early. (and/or they know i am not white so its their excuse to turn me away)
I understand it is b/c they dont know their numbers
but from the teacher point of view, i feel there needs time to prepare for a year abroad and moving and just life!!! I was hoping to find a contract at least by the mid summer so that I know what will happen in Sept (as a graduate student as well)
And for someone with 4 years of local experience + TESOL and in M.ed, can i realistically expect at least 2.0Won?
I am working with FootPrints Recruiting now and will sign up a few more.
What does anyone know about YBM ECC? I know this is a big organization...however, I worked for ELS Toronto/Vancouver and stirred a lot of $hit and crap b/c of the abuse they put on local teachers.
Thanks so much..any advices and response is welcome. email: [email protected] |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| keroleen wrote: |
Realistically, when should i start applying? I started to apply around now and im told its wayyyyy too early. (and/or they know i am not white so its their excuse to turn me away)
I understand it is b/c they dont know their numbers
but from the teacher point of view, i feel there needs time to prepare for a year abroad and moving and just life!!! |
That is Rule #1 in Korea. Absolutely everything happens at the very last moment possible. There is absolutely no such thing whatsoever as pre-planning.
Whenever you are ready to come over here.. just let the recruiters know. Whoever needs a teacher immediately will take you. Fortunately there actually are so many jobs available that it does work out. But something you definetely can't plan months in advance.
Absolutely everything works with this same concept in mind. I'm actually finished with my contract in 2 weeks and 2 days. They refuse to buy me my return ticket home until it gets closer to that date. The last person who finished his contract got his the day before he left. This is actually frustratingly normal in Korea.
Coming to Korea works exactly the same way. They'll beg and entice anyone and everyone to come here right now this very moment should have been here yesterday already kind of mentality. But no concept whatsoever of we're going to need a new teacher six weeks from now to replace the one who is finishing, so lets look now. Just doesn't happen. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I would take 1.9 if the location and job was right. The reason I turned it down was they just would not tell me how many classes a day I would teach, and alleged they had 2 other foreign teachers, but could not supply me their e-mails. |
Just curious, if you were to apply for a job at Walmart, would you request they give you the email addresses of two current workers? |
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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| I mean, is 1.9 such a low salaray for someone with only one year experience? |
I made that much with no experience of any kind almost three years ago. |
I make 200,000 less a month than in my job last year.
But I now work 10 to 4, and get 3 months vacation a year, paid.
Was working 3pm to 9pm or 4 to 10 last year. This is better, because I can have a social life.
It's not all about pay per month, although we all like more money, eh?  |
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lush72
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| inexhile wrote: |
| I would take 1.9 if the location and job was right. The reason I turned it down was they just would not tell me how many classes a day I would teach, and alleged they had 2 other foreign teachers, but could not supply me their e-mails. |
Just curious, if you were to apply for a job at Walmart, would you request they give you the email addresses of two current workers? |
Gord! Thats apples and oranges- apply to a walmart 10000 miles away from home? |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| lush72 wrote: |
| Gord! Thats apples and oranges- apply to a walmart 10000 miles away from home? |
I'm just asking. Especially since Walmart is being sued left, right, and center for labour violations and abuses which is the very reason people want the contact information so they can try and confirm if such problems exist at the teaching job.
People rarely ask to speak to people when they are at the school or with a school email address, but instead want to talk to them when they "are out of earshot of the director and can talk freely" or want their personal email addresses. I'm sorry, I value my privacy and would be quite pissed if an employer started handing out my personal contact information to anyone who asked. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Gord wrote: |
| I'm sorry, I value my privacy and would be quite pissed if an employer started handing out my personal contact information to anyone who asked. |
I agree.
1) If you say a bad thing, its possible job seeker will confront your manager on that issue. If the job seeker doesn't take it, you might be held responsible.
2) If you say all good things, its possible future employee will hold you responsible if they see something later they don't agree with.
3) If I'm actively at the job, then I have some motivation/reason to continue working there.
4) If my workplace sucks and I'm still there, then I probably won't want to messing up my chances of getting whatever it is I want (next paycheck) by spreading around bad stuff while actively still in that situation.
I don't personally think current employees (who are a stranger to you) can really help you out. Only good friends who are current employees or ex-employees (who have the true luxery to be candid). |
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inexhile
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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The difference with walmart is you know exactly what lies ahead. Hogwans, their curriculums and their directors are extremely variant. I think it is very important to get imput from a former or current teacher. A 1 year contract is a long time if you are not happy and being treated with disregard. I was happy to answer questions from potential foreign teachers at my old Hogwan, and I included all negatives as well as the many positives. I too value my privacy but didn't think it was a privacy issue, I saw it as part of my job.
On saying that I have accepted a job now and had no need to contact other teachers (there are many), because the director spoke perfect English, remember this is a luxury in many hogwans. I know there will be no misunderstandings and such. He was able to answer all my questions to my satisfaction and I liked the questions he asked me. It showed he has been in the business a long time and understands the needs of foreign teachers as well as his students. |
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Ben Glickman
Joined: 10 Mar 2004
Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:34 am Post subject: Finding a job.... |
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As a recruiter- if someone applied to my company and I found out that they were posting their resume everywhere, I would not be inclined to work with them to find them employment. When people apply to us and the e-mail is addressed to many schools/recruiters at the same time, I usually don't respond.
You might have better luck applying to one school or recruiter at a time. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| inexhile wrote: |
| I would take 1.9 if the location and job was right. The reason I turned it down was they just would not tell me how many classes a day I would teach, and alleged they had 2 other foreign teachers, but could not supply me their e-mails. |
Just curious, if you were to apply for a job at Walmart, would you request they give you the email addresses of two current workers? |
Not applying at Walmart. Why would someone go aboat 15+ time zones away to work at Walmart?
Usually you ask strong rhetorical questions-Gord, it happens to the best of us
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