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kcs0001
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 Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: Girl�s Hands Stolen by Her South African Murderers |
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Original article in Afrikaans
http://www.beeld.com/Content/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/1928/437d236d77b146dc85130adcb4a716d5/12-03-2010-06-33/Kind_se_hande_afgekap_in_moord
Had the races been reversed, this would be worldwide news.
Hilda Fourie, Beeld (South Africa), March 12, 2010
Blonde teenager Anika Smit, (17) was found murdered at her Pretoria home on March 11, 2010�with her hands and forearms chopped off.
The girl�s limbs are missing�cut off just below the elbows�said South African police constable William Mahlaole. Nothing else was robbed. Body-parts have great value in South Africa: there is a flourishing trade in human body-parts for the lucrative �traditional medicine� (muti) market in South Africa. People often are found mutilated�and usually body parts are cut off while the victims were still alive to �increase the power of the medicine�.
The girl had stayed home from her Gerrit Maritz Afrikaans High School with an ear-infection that day and was feeling unwell, said her father Johan, 54. Her parents are divorced and she lived with her dad.
That morning he had still said goodbye to his only child before going to work and tried to phone her during the day�but received no response. When he returned from work at 4pm at their Theresa Park, Pretoria suburban home he saw overturned chairs in the living room and knew at once �something was wrong�, he told journalists of the Afrikaans-language daily Beeld. �I called to her but she did not reply�. Seconds later he discovered her lifeless body in her bedroom.
�She was lying on the floor without clothes on. Both her hands were cut off and missing. There also were six cuts in her neck police told me. The people (her murderers) must have taken the limbs along with them,� he said. �Police examiners will still have to determine whether she was raped.�
From the crime scene it appeared that she had either fought back or tried to run away, police said. The father had tried phoning her earlier in the day but received no reply�however he believed she probably wasn�t feeling well enough to talk on the phone. He had also arranged for medicine to be delivered to the house�but around noon the pharmacy phoned him with the news that no-one had opened the door.�
�I phoned her around lunch-time but I thought she didn�t reply because she didn�t feel well,� he said. The flag at her school was hanging at half-mast yesterday.
This is a translation of the original article in Afrikaans.
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Had the races been reversed, this would be worldwide news. |
Please don't belittle the tragedy of this situation with your ridiculous speculations.
It's so messed up what happened to this poor child. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| South Africa is a criminal cesspool. Anyone who can -- especially people of caucasian origin, given the government's indifference towards anti-white racism -- would be wise to leave the country. That man who saught asylum in Canada some time back had the right idea. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| South Africa is a criminal cesspool. Anyone who can -- especially people of caucasian origin, given the government's indifference towards anti-white racism -- would be wise to leave the country. That man who saught asylum in Canada some time back had the right idea. |
You guys act like black people don't get murdered in South Africa. Or Albinos. Or Coloureds.
The majority of tourists in South Africa are black Africans. Are they not the ones being killed and attacked by gangs...? Or maybe they don't count, because they're black, lol.
There is no "especially" here. South Africa has major problems with violence in many areas, but to say that it's especially against "people of Caucasian origin" is laughable. It's against everyone! These gangs will just as easily rape a black girl than a white girl. They'll just as easily killa middle class black man than a middle class white man.
White AND black people are attacked and raped during farm attacks.
(I am NOT in any way trying to deny that many black South Africans are ridiculously racist. Some white people are often locked up for minor instances---just like the Nigerians, Somali and those from Mozambique). |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| South Africa is a criminal cesspool. Anyone who can -- especially people of caucasian origin, given the government's indifference towards anti-white racism -- would be wise to leave the country. That man who saught asylum in Canada some time back had the right idea. |
You guys act like black people don't get murdered in South Africa. Or Albinos. Or Coloureds. |
No I don't, which is why I included that anyone who can get out, should get out. The crime in South Africa is a threat to everyone, and a serious one. White people just have the additional issue of facing substantial racism which the government prefers to try to ignore or cover up rather than accept and combat, which I feel is worth giving them special mention. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| kabrams wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| South Africa is a criminal cesspool. Anyone who can -- especially people of caucasian origin, given the government's indifference towards anti-white racism -- would be wise to leave the country. That man who saught asylum in Canada some time back had the right idea. |
You guys act like black people don't get murdered in South Africa. Or Albinos. Or Coloureds. |
No I don't, which is why I included that anyone who can get out, should get out. The crime in South Africa is a threat to everyone, and a serious one. White people just have the additional issue of facing substantial racism which the government prefers to try to ignore or cover up rather than accept and combat, which I feel is worth giving them special mention. |
You didn't make special notice of women, who face some of the most unequal treatment in the country (black, white coloured or otherwise).
Why?
The number of farm attacks on whites in total pales in comparison with the number of women raped every year in South Africa. Some 400,000 women are raped each year in S. Africa and yet, every time a South Africa topic comes up, it's all--OMG the government doesn't care about white people!
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
You guys act like black people don't get murdered in South Africa. Or Albinos. Or Coloureds. |
Things were far better under Apartheid government. May be hard for your western sensibilities to accept, but its true...
White govt kept a lid on this kind of widespread violence. Overall everyone had a better time of it. yes there were inequalities but there are still inequalities there today between rich and poor. In fact there are inequalities in every country.
It was the stupid westerners with their fancy ideas that by remote control torpedoed the most prosperous country in Africa. Now its predictably degenerating into a cesspit, are you happy now? |
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Fox
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
You didn't make special notice of women, who face some of the most unequal treatment in the country (black, white coloured or otherwise).
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Because as far as I'm aware, the government has no particular bias against women as a group, while it has noticable bias against white people as a group. Given the nature of my special mention of whites was based on governmental attitude, it was no cause for me to make special mention of women.
If you can show me that the government of South Africa has an attitude regarding women that is similar to its attitude regarding whites, I will happily say that women also deserve special mention. Can you show me such? |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| kabrams wrote: |
You guys act like black people don't get murdered in South Africa. Or Albinos. Or Coloureds. |
Things were far better under Apartheid government. May be hard for your western sensibilities to accept, but its true...
White govt kept a lid on this kind of widespread violence. Overall everyone had a better time of it. yes there were inequalities but there are still inequalities there today between rich and poor. In fact there are inequalities in every country.
It was the stupid westerners with their fancy ideas that by remote control torpedoed the most prosperous country in Africa. Now its predictably degenerating into a cesspit, are you happy now? |
Why do you think that is???
Come on now, use your brain.
ETA: Wait wait wait. Did you say "everyone had a better time of it?"
Everyone who?
Apartheid wasn't good and this situation in Africa is not good, either. Seriously, WTF.
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| kabrams wrote: |
You didn't make special notice of women, who face some of the most unequal treatment in the country (black, white coloured or otherwise).
Why? |
Because as far as I'm aware, the government has no particular bias against women as a group, while it has noticable bias against white people as a group. Given the nature of my special mention of whites was based on governmental attitude, it was no cause for me to make special mention of women.
If you can show me that the government of South Africa has an attitude regarding women that is similar to its attitude regarding whites, I will happily say that women also deserve special mention. Can you show me such? |
First of all, you wrote:
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| given the government's indifference towards anti-white racism |
So the issue is indifference, not specific bias. Don't change the story now.
Even here:
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| [which the government prefers to try to ignore or cover up rather than accept and combat, which I feel is worth giving them special mention. |
The issue is ignoring and covering up.
400,000 rapes a year? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're ignoring the problem. And let's not even get into "corrective" rapes or child rape. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
First of all, you wrote:
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| given the government's indifference towards anti-white racism |
So the issue is indifference, not specific bias. Don't change the story now.
Even here:
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| [which the government prefers to try to ignore or cover up rather than accept and combat, which I feel is worth giving them special mention. |
The issue is ignoring and covering up. |
Covering up shows more than simple indifference; I strengthened my wording for a reason, kabrams. I'll strengthen it further, since it's clearly necessary: the South African government practices actively racist policies, and many of its members are actively racist. Your attempt to casually dismiss that just reminds me what a racist you yourself are; behavior like this doesn't register as a concern for you, so long as it's directed at whites.
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| 400,000 rapes a year? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're ignoring the problem. And let's not even get into "corrective" rapes or child rape. |
I don't think the number of rapes alone demonstrates anything with regards to the government ignoring the problem. However, even if there is no particular governmental tolerance, atypically high rape rates are an obvious threat to women. So, here you go: women would be wise to leave South Africa. Now that I've settled your need for everything to be about either blacks or women, are you happy? Or are you going to keep whining like a little girl that particular concern is being shown for a group that you, personally, don't belong to? |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
| Did you say "everyone had a better time of it?" |
I said "overall everyone had a better time of it".
Meaning a greater % of the population benefitted from stability, peace and prosperity in those days. Sure, a minority of political activists etc felt the sharp end of apartheid. But overall levels of crime were less, among other things.
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| Apartheid wasn't good and this situation in Africa is not good, either. |
I'll agree that apartheid was not great, but it was probably the better of two evils.
I spent several years in RSA, half my family is from there. You don't appear to know much of what you're talking about. Have you even been there on holiday?
Are you american? Your country was built on the backs of slaves you raped and killed at will, after you committed mass genocide by killing all the natives. South Africa has nothing on you.Your country is still very racially segregated in reality... if not law. you did know that of course? |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Are you american? Your country was built on the backs of slaves you raped and killed at will, after you committed mass genocide by killing all the natives. South Africa has nothing on you.Your country is still very racially segregated in reality... if not law. you did know that of course? |
kabrams is African American.
Whites should leave South Africa (and Zimbabwe). The writing is on the wall there. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Whites should leave South Africa (and Zimbabwe). |
Shouldn't you leave the US or canada, or Australia or new zealand or wherever you're from.
Considering that you're an uninvited squatter on someone elses land.
Your great-great-great grandpappy was presumably a mass murder. maybe you should relinquish your lands and property to people who have native blood. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
Whites should leave South Africa (and Zimbabwe). |
Shouldn't you leave the US or canada, or Australia or new zealand or wherever you're from.
Considering that you're an uninvited squatter on someone elses land.
Your great-great-great grandpappy was presumably a mass murder. maybe you should relinquish your lands and property to people who have native blood. |
Eh I think he meant they should leave for personal safety reasons, that is all. |
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