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Tud Ferguson
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 Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: Koreans charge with rape in Canada |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/03/117_62758.html
If the situation were the other way around, we would never here the end of it, the name calling, calls for all teachers to be deported and all forms of stupid comments would be endless. Politicians would have a field day. But I bet you would be hard pressed to find a single Canadian who would say that all Koreans are horrible people who come to their country to commit crimes and steal their women. Why do westerners understand that you can't demonize an entire group based on the actions of a few, but here in Gorea the generalizing is over the top. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans charge with rape in Canada |
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| Tud Ferguson wrote: |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/03/117_62758.html
If the situation were the other way around, we would never here the end of it, the name calling, calls for all teachers to be deported and all forms of stupid comments would be endless. Politicians would have a field day. But I bet you would be hard pressed to find a single Canadian who would say that all Koreans are horrible people who come to their country to commit crimes and steal their women. Why do westerners understand that you can't demonize an entire group based on the actions of a few, but here in Gorea the generalizing is over the top. |
Actually there has been at least one American teacher not only charged but convicted of rape. A GI (Westerner) was also charged with rape. Several other Westerners (teachers) have been charged with molesting children in their charge. I provided the link to this in the OTHER THREAD which talks about this.
Yet where are these names, and calls for all teachers to be deported?
Point is it HAS happened, and your apocalyptic scenario has not come about.
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sulperman
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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What insight! No one would have ever thought of that! Only you! You really made me think about things in a way I never would have on my own. It is like a light has been turned on, and now I can see the world clearly for the very first time. I understand. I understand!
I am the owner of the New York Times, and I would like to offer you a job writing editorials! Contact me ASAP! We've been waiting for you...... |
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519forlife
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans charge with rape in Canada |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Tud Ferguson wrote: |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/03/117_62758.html
If the situation were the other way around, we would never here the end of it, the name calling, calls for all teachers to be deported and all forms of stupid comments would be endless. Politicians would have a field day. But I bet you would be hard pressed to find a single Canadian who would say that all Koreans are horrible people who come to their country to commit crimes and steal their women. Why do westerners understand that you can't demonize an entire group based on the actions of a few, but here in Gorea the generalizing is over the top. |
Actually there has been at least one American teacher not only charged but convicted of rape. A GI (Westerner) was also charged with rape. Several other Westerners (teachers) have been charged with molesting children in their charge. I provided the link to this in the OTHER THREAD which talks about this.
Yet where are these names, and calls for all teachers to be deported?
Point is it HAS happened, and your apocalyptic scenario has not come about. |
I don't think the op was painting an apocalyptic scenario, they are just wondering why the media dosen't treat the situation in the same way they would if it were westerners charged with a similar offencess. Would there be calls to bring back all their countrymen? I don't think so. It seems that here we are guilty until proven innocent in the minds of many much of the time. |
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hellofaniceguy
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| What the OP pointed out is fact....he's not bashing in my opinion...just pointing out what is common knowledge.....when something like this happens in korea...and a non korean/foreigner is involved....the bad guy.....3/4 of the country would be in an uproar. A good example of being two faced...look at the situation in Busan where a korean killed the young girl....it was news for a few days...but not nearly the uproar as one would expect! If it was a foreigner....gesh...the mud slinging would still be going on! |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| What the OP pointed out is fact....he's not bashing in my opinion...just pointing out what is common knowledge.....when something like this happens in korea...and a non korean/foreigner is involved....the bad guy.....3/4 of the country would be in an uproar.... |
No it's not fact. What I pointed out was fact...It HAS happened and there was no major uproar...in fact even a good number of people on here apparently were unaware of it...obviously including your good self. |
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Janny
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The bottom line is that there is a sizeable proportion of Koreans who believe that foreigners carry diseases into the country, are here to only sleep with Korean women, who do drugs regularly, are too fat, and to top it all off, DON'T respect Korean culture. Are you apologists above REALLY ready to say that Koreans treat foreigners with tolerance and equality?? God, I wish that were true! (If that were true, we wouldn't be here. We'd be making $$ in some other racist nation that has to pay our rent because it sucks to live there.)
Is there a similar number of Canadians who think about Koreans in the same light?
As a Canadian, the only Korean stereotypes I know of is that they are tight with money and like to stick together with other Koreans. Hardly the same tone of generalization, no?
There's nothing to be done about it. Korea does not take the same view on multiculturalism, diversity and immigration. Korea is just very different from Canada.
I don't see the argument, actually. I do understand the distaste. |
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The Gipkik
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| What the OP pointed out is fact....he's not bashing in my opinion...just pointing out what is common knowledge.....when something like this happens in korea...and a non korean/foreigner is involved....the bad guy.....3/4 of the country would be in an uproar.... |
No it's not fact. What I pointed out was fact...It HAS happened and there was no major uproar...in fact even a good number of people on here apparently were unaware of it...obviously including your good self. |
I'm curious how long ago this was and what the circumstances were. I'm reminded of the media frenzy that occurs when any American GI gets accused of rape in Okinawa, Japan. I can't imagine the Korean media approaching the issue with any measure of equanimity or discreetness. |
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morrisonhotel
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| The Gipkik wrote: |
I'm curious how long ago this was and what the circumstances were. I'm reminded of the media frenzy that occurs when any American GI gets accused of rape in Okinawa, Japan. I can't imagine the Korean media approaching the issue with any measure of equanimity or discreetness. |
There was at least one GI case back in 92. The girl was raped and murdered by a GI in his early/mid 20s. For obvious reasons, it's difficult to tell how the media treated it at the time. |
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crescent
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oh boy.
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans charge with rape in Canada |
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| Tud Ferguson wrote: |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/03/117_62758.html
If the situation were the other way around, we would never here the end of it, the name calling, calls for all teachers to be deported and all forms of stupid comments would be endless. |
So if 6 Foreigners rape 4 Foreign woman in Korea, Koreans would care?
I think not. The 6 Korean guys met the victims through a community Korean church, so I'm fairly certain the victims were of Korean descent. I've been to Korean churches all my life. Not too many non-Koreans there.
In fact, I've been hearing a lot about this over the Korean news. What do you want Koreans to do? Deport themselves from their own country? You want them to demand all Koreans abroad come back home immediately?
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madoka
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans charge with rape in Canada |
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| Tud Ferguson wrote: |
| Why do westerners understand that you can't demonize an entire group based on the actions of a few, but here in Gorea the generalizing is over the top. |
 What site have you been reading? A lot of the Westerners on Dave's certainly don't understand the concept of demonizing an entire group based on the actions of a few. Almost all the hatred spewed against Koreans is based on the actions of a few. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| The Gipkik wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| What the OP pointed out is fact....he's not bashing in my opinion...just pointing out what is common knowledge.....when something like this happens in korea...and a non korean/foreigner is involved....the bad guy.....3/4 of the country would be in an uproar.... |
No it's not fact. What I pointed out was fact...It HAS happened and there was no major uproar...in fact even a good number of people on here apparently were unaware of it...obviously including your good self. |
I'm curious how long ago this was and what the circumstances were. I'm reminded of the media frenzy that occurs when any American GI gets accused of rape in Okinawa, Japan. I can't imagine the Korean media approaching the issue with any measure of equanimity or discreetness. |
The American teacher in question was charged and convicted of attempted rape of one of his students. This was in 2002.
Here's the link.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=1908932
I'd been in Korea for nearly two years at that point, and I recall no media frenzy about it at all. As so often here it's one of these myths that gets repeated on Dave's so many times that people tend to believe it.
Of the four big media frenzies here that I recall ( the tank, the "mad cow" issue the ES issue and the CPN incident) the CPN was the least noticed by the Korean community. Notice any mass rallies against foreign teachers because of CPN? On the other hand...yeah the U.S. military and foreign imports seemingly rank a whole lot higher. And even then, out of the roughly 50 million Koreans in Korea...what was the percentage of people who joined these protests? Less than 1% wasn't it?
As far as I remember the ES (English Spectrum) issue was the only one which targeted foreigners for any real length of time (the CPN issue died relatively quickly) and that was years before any of these new E-2 regulations took effect. And even that wasn't really a media issue...except on the Internet by Korean netizens.
TheUrbanMyth, bringing the light of reason to Eslcafe since 2001.
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Janny wrote: |
The bottom line is that there is a sizeable proportion of Koreans who believe that foreigners carry diseases into the country, are here to only sleep with Korean women, who do drugs regularly, are too fat, and to top it all off, DON'T respect Korean culture. Are you apologists above REALLY ready to say that Koreans treat foreigners with tolerance and equality?? God, I wish that were true! (If that were true, we wouldn't be here. We'd be making $$ in some other racist nation that has to pay our rent because it sucks to live there.)
Is there a similar number of Canadians who think about Koreans in the same light?
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It sometimes seems that the vast majority of foreigners here think about Koreans in the same light.
There's lots of ignorance and generalizing on both sides.
But that wasn't the issue. Nice try at dodging the issue by a bit of Korean bashing.
The issue was that when sexual incidents do occur...rarely do they ever reach the level of the ES incident. There were about ten incidents in the link I posted on the other thread. Where is the media frenzy about those?
Even in the article I posted there's ONE sentence about the teacher and that's it. Hardly a frenzy. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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If 3 westerners did something like this, most Koreans would read the article, feel anger for a few seconds and then go on to the next article in the paper.
We as westerners just notice it more because our ct's just like mentioning it in an attempt to make idle conversation. |
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