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Yuan Poised to Become Reserve Currency
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:32 am    Post subject: Yuan Poised to Become Reserve Currency Reply with quote

Not sure about the dollar and the euro.

Yuan Poised to Become Reserve Currency, Goldman�s O�Neill Says

By Keith Jenkins

March 19 (Bloomberg) -- China�s yuan is destined to become a global reserve currency rivaling the dollar and the euro, as the nation�s economic power increases the currency�s allure, said Jim O�Neill, chief economist at Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

The Chinese government will �eventually� allow the yuan, or renminbi, to trade freely on foreign-exchange markets, dropping the system under which it controls its value, O�Neill wrote in an essay that formed part of a report published today for Chatham House, a London-based foreign affairs research organization.

�As China moves in this direction, other large emerging economies will presumably gradually move in the same direction and the end result will be something approximating to today�s Western monetary system,� London-based O�Neill wrote. �Under such a system, the renminbi, dollar and euro would all form the linchpin of the world�s currency markets.�

China is likely to overtake Japan as the world�s second- largest economy this year, said O�Neill, who coined the term BRICs to describe Brazil, Russia, India and China in 2001. In the next decade, along with other large emerging economies, the size of China�s economy will approach that of the U.S., he wrote.

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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't this an inevitability at some point?
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Reggie



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A basket of commodities should become the real "reserve currency." The past ten years and the next ten will hopefully sour people's opinions of paper, the fraudulent opportunities and dangers associated with non-tangible items, and the corruption associated with paper reserve currencies.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Chinese were actually preparing for what O'Neill said they would be doing...they'd be selling Treasury bills. But they are the single largest foreign holder of such bills.

The dollar will retain its global status for the foreseeable future.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="TheUrbanMyth"]
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The dollar will retain its global status for the foreseeable future.


What is your definition of foreseeable future? The SDR's are likely to replace the dollar for commodities during the next period of macro stability. O'Neill knows that the SDR's will the reserve currency. In talking up the RMB he's talking Goldman's China book.

I do not expect oil etc to be traded in dollars within a decade or so.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="mises"]
TheUrbanMyth wrote:

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The dollar will retain its global status for the foreseeable future.


What is your definition of foreseeable future? The SDR's are likely to replace the dollar for commodities during the next period of macro stability. O'Neill knows that the SDR's will the reserve currency. In talking up the RMB he's talking Goldman's China book.

I do not expect oil etc to be traded in dollars within a decade or so.



That's not likely at all.

Here's an article (with references) about the likelihood of SDR's replacing the dollar (not very)

http://voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3538

The Economist (which can claim with plausibility) to speak with some authority on the subject also wrote an article which basically agrees that that SDR's are not likely to replace the dollar anytime soon.
I don't have that particular article to hand right now...but I could probably find it in a day or two...or you could on Google if you don't want to wait.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the USD was not a doomed currency, there would be no reason to search for a replacement. It is a doomed currency, so the search is on. The SDR's are supported by the international banking establishment and not strongly opposed by the US (the IMF is an arm of the US). The dollar is down 34% since 2002. Why would the rest of the world continue to use a rapidly depreciating asset as the basis for their international transactions? That the SDR is being readied for this role is not a secret and not being done in secret.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
If the USD was not a doomed currency, there would be no reason to search for a replacement. It is a doomed currency, so the search is on. The SDR's are supported by the international banking establishment and not strongly opposed by the US (the IMF is an arm of the US). The dollar is down 34% since 2002. Why would the rest of the world continue to use a rapidly depreciating asset as the basis for their international transactions? That the SDR is being readied for this role is not a secret and not being done in secret.



Proof for this assertion that it's doomed?

The U.S. is in the middle of a financial crisis right now. There is no reason of yet to expect it won't come back eventually.


Guess we'll have to wait and see. And I haven't seen any links (beyond the CT set) that claim the SDR is being readied to replace the dollar.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The United States now (after this health bill) has 100 trillion in liabilities. The GDP is 14 trillion. The boomers are retiring. They are also broke, fat, sick and entitled. The country is replacing a high earning middle class demographic with a lower earning lower-middle class demographic. The middle class is a net-gain to the system. The lower-middle class is a net drain. Every single possible metric of near to medium (and long) term economic viability is screaming catastrophe. It's too bad. I really like the US. But she's going to become a high tax, high inflation, low quality of services country.

The dollar will be decreased in value dramatically. This is what the establishment economics profession considers a fix to liabilities. The Bretton Woods 2 system will die. It couldn't last. Like all of Keynes's ideas. The dollar is the reserve only because the dollar is the reserve. There is no economic justification for it anymore. Such a dramatic change in the international financial architecture would create extreme dysfunction at this time. When macro stability returns, the dollar's global role will be diminished.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well as long as the Yuan is pegged and Beijing keeps its present monetary policy, this GS guy isn't going to be right.
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chungbukdo



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mises, I would have PM'ed you but I have under 25 posts.

I was wondering what you think the outlook for Canada would be like if the US loses its reserve currency status because of inflating their currency to pay off liabilities?
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jaykimf



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
When macro stability returns, the dollar's global role will be diminished.


Well, which is it? diminished or doomed? Hardly the same thing.
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jaykimf



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reggie wrote:
A basket of commodities should become the real "reserve currency." The past ten years and the next ten will hopefully sour people's opinions of paper, the fraudulent opportunities and dangers associated with non-tangible items, and the corruption associated with paper reserve currencies.


Feel free to hold your reserves in whatever basket of commodities you choose. The rest of us can make our own decisions without you telling us what we should choose.
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hype, hype, hype, hype the China market.
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brickabrack



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no trends forecaster, but I see the same thing happening in Asia that has happened in N Am and Europe over the past 2-3 years. The cycle is just running a bit behind.

Brasil and a select few African countries may be the only nations not hit hard by economic downturns. Lots of China hype, for sure. I can't access the link for some reason, but I'm sure I've read 10 articles just like it.
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