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bulldogbill



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:36 am    Post subject: Problem recovering pension Reply with quote

Australia signed a mutual pension treaty with South Korea in 2008, and as a result I was able to make a claim for a lump sum payment of my pension contributions when I turned 60.
It was a convoluted process but I recently received a bank deposit...problem is it only covers the 1 year I was employed by Berlitz in Seoul, and not the 2 years at a Hagwan in Cheongju...the NPS says they have no record of that employment...
Has anybody struck this problem before, and if so, how do I handle it?
I know the Hagwan has changed hands, so would I ask NPS to pursue the former owner, or the Hagwan??
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:26 am    Post subject: Re: Problem recovering pension Reply with quote

bulldogbill wrote:
Australia signed a mutual pension treaty with South Korea in 2008, and as a result I was able to make a claim for a lump sum payment of my pension contributions when I turned 60.
It was a convoluted process but I recently received a bank deposit...problem is it only covers the 1 year I was employed by Berlitz in Seoul, and not the 2 years at a Hagwan in Cheongju...the NPS says they have no record of that employment...
Has anybody struck this problem before, and if so, how do I handle it?
I know the Hagwan has changed hands, so would I ask NPS to pursue the former owner, or the Hagwan??


I can't remember for sure (2 or 5 years - I think it is 2) but you may have missed your chance to go after your old hakwon.

It is a common problem but difficult to remedy, especially now that the hakwon has changed hands/ownership.

Usually you would take your contract and pay slips into the NPS office and make a claim against your former employer. You would then pay YOUR share of the contributions into your account. Then the NPS would go after your old employer.

I'm afraid that you may have lost it.
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air76



Joined: 13 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would imagine that a very very small percentage of hagwons actually pay into the pension system for their employees. My guess is that you're SOL.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How could it be a very very small percentage if they are legally required to do this?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
How could it be a very very small percentage if they are legally required to do this?


It is also illegal to:

drive a motorcycle on the sidewalk,
double park on a street,
park on the sidewalk,
run a red light,
terminate in the 11th month,
not pay into the NPS
not pay into the NHIC
run a business without a license (seen any orange tents on the side of the street?)
drive while drunk
drive without a license
commit fraud ( ask the president about this one)

welcome to Korea.

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air76



Joined: 13 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
How could it be a very very small percentage if they are legally required to do this?


I mean no offense by this statement....but either you have yet to live in Korea or do live here and haven't been paying much attention.

Not only are there few hagwons who pay into the pension plan, there are a plethora of schools that TELL their employees that they are paying, deduct the employee's portion from each month's paycheck, and then just pocket the money for themselves.

I work at a university now, where everything is on the up and up (we think)...but neither of the two hagwons I worked at in Korea paid into our pensions, and I heard from a fairly reputable source that one of them didn't pay any of our taxes either.
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soohak



Joined: 11 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can always check the status of your pension payments at http://www.nps.or.kr/ and verify that your employer is actually making the payments.

Unfortunately, the English version of the site, as usual in Korea, is useless, so you'll need to be able to read Korean or get someone to help you. You can login without creating an account (비회원), just using your name, alien registration number, and a banking certificate. Once you're logged in go under 개인서비스, 조회, and 보험료 납부내역(개인) and you'll find detailed information on what's been paid into your account.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my home country is the usa, can i get the pension refund???
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mugen13



Joined: 25 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That comment about termination in the 11 month sounds scary as I am in my tenth month.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
How could it be a very very small percentage if they are legally required to do this?


It's the same with health insurance, too. Rolling Eyes
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago, when I asked for a copy of my K- tax records at the tax office, I discovered that one of my employers had been taking taxes from me and not reporting it. Last I heard, the hagwon was getting investigated for tax fraud. It didn't help me any, but revenge really does taste rather sweet. Twisted Evil

Perhaps there's a similar recourse for pension?
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Alaskaman



Joined: 22 Sep 2009
Location: Bundang-Gu, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first came to Korea, I worked at the famous, "Wonderland". Not knowing anything about the system really. I worked my year and then was out with a mate and asked me if I got my pension money. I said, what is that? He explained it to me. Went back to the school and was told that they don't have to pay for that as I am an independent contractor. E-2 does not = independent. So I went to the Pension office and was told that if I paid the money that I was suppost to pay them up front that they will get the rest of the money from the school. I did that the same day. About 30 days later my old owner called me up yelling and screaming saying that I ruined his name and that he would take me to court. Long story short, got my money he got finded a hefty one too. Additonally, I was told that you have up to 3 years to do the same after you leave a school. But again, you have to pay the money that you were suppost to pay the pension fund up front and in full.

PM me if you need any more information or help
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