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What's a year in China worth in Korea?

 
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Old Surrender



Joined: 28 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:23 pm    Post subject: What's a year in China worth in Korea? Reply with quote

Hi all. I want to go to Korea after my year in China is up. Will that smidge of experience help in the salary department/better job department? I see plenty of "no experience" gigs but I don't want to end up with a 1.9 million won gig that features split shifts and a roach motel in the boonies.

I got a degree, American accent, teach both kids and adults, white, under 30 years old, can leap buildings with a single bound, etc.

Thanks!

PS: The reason for leaving China is money. The RMB-USD exchange rate is killing me. China is fun, but I want cash and I have a soft spot for bibimbop. Cool
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jmuns



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope. and chinese food is better than korean
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a year in China worth in Korea? Reply with quote

Old Surrender wrote:
Hi all. I want to go to Korea after my year in China is up. Will that smidge of experience help in the salary department/better job department? I see plenty of "no experience" gigs but I don't want to end up with a 1.9 million won gig that features split shifts and a roach motel in the boonies.

I got a degree, American accent, teach both kids and adults, white, under 30 years old, can leap buildings with a single bound, etc.

Thanks!

PS: The reason for leaving China is money. The RMB-USD exchange rate is killing me. China is fun, but I want cash and I have a soft spot for bibimbop. Cool


IF you can get a letter (in English) with the directors stamp and signature on it, it is worth a one level bump at a public school.

In a hakwon you are worth what you can negotiate. (on average, 2.2 mil + studio apt, etc).
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Old Surrender



Joined: 28 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmuns wrote:
nope. and chinese food is better than korean


I find Chinese food to be too greasy. Chinese beer hands down is better than the Korean brews I've tried.

@ttompatz: Public schools, eh? I'll look into that. Thanks.
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air76



Joined: 13 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course some experience is always better than none...but in general the better jobs in Korea you need to interview for while you're here regardless of how qualified you are. Sure, if you've got a Masters in TESOL and 5 years teaching experience at a university in another country then you might be able to set up a university job in Korea from overseas, but for the most part your teaching experience outside of Korea only really comes into play in your 2nd year in Korea and beyond.

At any rate, it should be worth something, but it won't make that much of a difference.

What you ought to do is get a job at a high school. You'd get that small bump in pay, but then with 2 years experience, one at a high school, you should be able to move up to a lower tier university the following year. As long as you're willing to move to a smaller town.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

squat
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air76



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say it's worth squat...most schools would prefer someone with one year experience over someone with none...but that might just be it, you may get a job over someone else, but wouldn't necessarily make more $$$.

Like I said, I do think that this 1 year in conjunction with 1 year in Korea would help you greatly in moving up to a better job in year 2 in Korea. A lot of the lower level universities would look at 2 years experience as being better than 1. 2 years seems to be what the minimum is to start having a chance at the crappy university jobs. (crappy for university jobs, but great compared to hagwon or public school)
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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:09 am    Post subject: Re: What's a year in China worth in Korea? Reply with quote

Old Surrender wrote:
Hi all. I want to go to Korea after my year in China is up. Will that smidge of experience help in the salary department/better job department? I see plenty of "no experience" gigs but I don't want to end up with a 1.9 million won gig that features split shifts and a roach motel in the boonies.

I got a degree, American accent, teach both kids and adults, white, under 30 years old, can leap buildings with a single bound, etc.

Thanks!

PS: The reason for leaving China is money. The RMB-USD exchange rate is killing me. China is fun, but I want cash and I have a soft spot for bibimbop. Cool


Normal market principles don't apply in Korea. You can negotiate and sometimes have success but most hagwons want the maximum they can get for the minimum salary. And, since the teaching market in Korea only requires an unrelated BA, EFL qualifications provide very little leverage in terms of a salary bump. Of course, you get what you pay for!

Sadebugo
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually sadebugo1 what you just wrote says that market principles do work in Korean TESL.... Laughing

But ok.
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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
actually sadebugo1 what you just wrote says that market principles do work in Korean TESL.... Laughing

But ok.


I see what you mean, but if those market priniciples include providing a viable product, then they fail.

Sadebugo
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/
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air76



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The product is viable in terms of the fact that it brings in customers for the hagwon...in this market a 6'4" attractive whitey brings in more customers for the business....so what's really screwed up is not the economics but the mindset of the customers (meaning the parents.)
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