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kpmth00
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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 Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:24 am Post subject: URGENT NEgotiations! Please help! |
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Hey guys,
I got a contract and am about to sign it. It is for CDI and I am on the 30,000 won hourly contract. What troubles me is that when you calculate all the expenses and housing costs, it isn't all that great.
I want to negotiate my salary, but the recruiter said I can't negotiate. I am tempted to bring up the issue but am a little fretful because of burning bridges and not having an offer at all.
What do ya think? |
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TDC troll
Joined: 03 Feb 2009
Location: TDC
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Are you in country? |
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kpmth00
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| nope, im in the states |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: URGENT NEgotiations! Please help! |
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| kpmth00 wrote: |
| It is for CDI |
That would be Strike #1.
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| I am on the 30,000 won hourly contract. |
That would be Strike #2.
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| when you calculate all the expenses and housing costs, it isn't all that great. |
That would be Strike #3.
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| the recruiter said I can't negotiate. |
That would be Strike #4.
I think that's an odd version of baseball that has 5 strikes for an out. I also think that there are more and better hagweons than CDI. I also think that there are public school systems that hire native English speakers. |
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Gnawbert
Joined: 23 Oct 2007
Location: The Internet
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: URGENT NEgotiations! Please help! |
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| kpmth00 wrote: |
Hey guys,
I got a contract and am about to sign it. It is for CDI and I am on the 30,000 won hourly contract. What troubles me is that when you calculate all the expenses and housing costs, it isn't all that great.
I want to negotiate my salary, but the recruiter said I can't negotiate. I am tempted to bring up the issue but am a little fretful because of burning bridges and not having an offer at all.
What do ya think? |
If you're getting 30,000 per hour and they're working you for 24 hours a week (which is about CDI contract minimum, I believe) you should be making around 2.8 million a month.
That's more than I make at CDI on a contract salary with 30 hours a week however I have a pretty sweet apartment and get medical and pension.
CDI recruitment is sort of just a big bloated machine so you may not have much luck negotiating them upwards but try to push for 35 an hour. If not, then look elsewhere. There are plenty of places to find employment. If you're not happy with what they're offering, move on. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: URGENT NEgotiations! Please help! |
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| kpmth00 wrote: |
Hey guys,
I got a contract and am about to sign it. It is for CDI and I am on the 30,000 won hourly contract. What troubles me is that when you calculate all the expenses and housing costs, it isn't all that great.
I want to negotiate my salary, but the recruiter said I can't negotiate. I am tempted to bring up the issue but am a little fretful because of burning bridges and not having an offer at all.
What do ya think? |
30k per (class) hour and no benefits or holidays ? (36 million per year)
Why not just shoot yourself in the head now and be done with it. You will hate yourself for it later.
CDI is nothing but bad news for anyone on an E2.
Oh, and for the record... a generic PS position (entry level) pays 25.2 mil per year (2.1 mil per month).
then add in the extras.
Housing, 400k + per month (real value) 4.8 million
medical
Pension 4.5% of salary from the employer (1.14 mil).
severance 2.1 million
6 weeks (or more) of paid vacation (3 million value).
maybe some after school classes (20k each. 2 per week 1.3 mil)
Total remuneration package for your 24 classes per week runs to about 37.5 million
BUT you have those 6 weeks to use enjoying yourself while sitting on the beaches of Thailand or the Philippines while your buddy is still teaching his classes back at CDI and telling you how much cash he is banking.
Truth be told, MY total package value last year was closer to 45 million (on a base salary of 2.4 million) by the time the dust settled.
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not saying CDI is better than a public school or anything but it seems a bit 'creative' to add on three million to the yearly salary total for holiday time you don't actually get paid any extra for, and then mention the holiday again as an additional plus point. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Is CDI one of the outfits that likes to list its E-2 teachers as "independent contractors"? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Is CDI one of the outfits that likes to list its E-2 teachers as "independent contractors"? |
Yea. it is. |
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kpmth00
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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People always say there are better hakwons out there than CDI. I really want to know what hakwons these are because no one ever mentions the names. I feel that they are just some elusive schools that don't really exist.
I would love to know what people are talking about because I don't see many jobs that are as good as the one now, sad to say. |
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djz
Joined: 17 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Most of my friends work at CDI. They are all extremely stressed all the time and not too happy with their jobs. At the main branch in Gangnam they recently fired 10% of the foreign teachers (I believe there are either 50 or 60 so either 5 or 6 were fired) not for any real reason, but because they scored the lowest on student sanctification surveys and CDI is losing money.
I work at a random hagwon. It is significantly better than CDI. I have some friends working at CDI who make 3.5million a month but they end up making the same amount as me since they have to pay rent (1million won a month). Actually everyone I know working for CDI has to pay rent. Very few other hagwons will make you do this.
Also you only get one week of (unpaid!) vacation a year, no medical or pension, have to work every holiday, and regularly work on Saturdays. It's not a good deal. It is basically the same as working at any other hagwon except with a lot more stress, less vacation, and less job security.
If you have any other questions about hagwons please PM me. I actually came here to work for CDI but they failed me on training and didn't let me do a retake so I had to find another job. They are an evil evil company. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| kpmth00 wrote: |
People always say there are better hakwons out there than CDI. I really want to know what hakwons these are because no one ever mentions the names. I feel that they are just some elusive schools that don't really exist.
I would love to know what people are talking about because I don't see many jobs that are as good as the one now, sad to say. |
If it is such a good deal then you better sign fast before the job disappears.
It is crap.
As to which hakwons are "good ones".
Lots are... but many of the ones you see advertising on a regular basis aren't.
Networking... it IS who you know.... Good schools get teachers who are referred by other teachers.... not off constant ads on multiple websites.
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Is CDI one of the outfits that likes to list its E-2 teachers as "independent contractors"? |
Yea. it is. |
Even more reason to avoid it like the plague. E-2 holders aren't independent contractors. Luckily, a Korean court made a ruling in a separate case that applies to that. It doesn't matter what the terminology is for the job position; what matters is the reality of the working relationship. |
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kpmth00
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:13 am Post subject: |
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So, to get the better jobs you need to know people? That makes it really hard for first-timers to get a better opportunity than CDI, even people say CDI is a bad choice.
Do people even get 120 hours to work? |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| djz wrote: |
At the main branch in Gangnam they recently fired 10% of the foreign teachers (I believe there are either 50 or 60 so either 5 or 6 were fired) not for any real reason, but because they scored the lowest on student sanctification surveys and CDI is losing money.
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Sounds like a real reason to me. My students have sanctified me. |
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