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How many of you can speak Korean?
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Can you Speak Korean?
I know nothing or close to nothing
14%
 14%  [ 26 ]
I have beginner level Korean (Can say basic greetings, ask for where things are, and do very simple tasks)
28%
 28%  [ 51 ]
I have conversational level Korean (Can hold up a simple conversation and express a couple of opinions)
25%
 25%  [ 46 ]
I have intermediate level Korean (Can express himself further than simple conversation)
16%
 16%  [ 29 ]
I have advanced level Korean
4%
 4%  [ 8 ]
Near-fluent
1%
 1%  [ 3 ]
Fluent
3%
 3%  [ 6 ]
Near-Native
2%
 2%  [ 5 ]
Native
1%
 1%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 177

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rabidcake



Joined: 10 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: How many of you can speak Korean? Reply with quote

I was just wondering the distribution of Korean within the foreign community.

When i was in Korea a year for a small vacation time, I felt that there was almost no foreigners that could speak Korean. The most I heard was "I can kinda get around", meaning that they most likely know very little.

The more and more I read this forum however, the more and more people I see that say they can and do a lot of tasks using Korean.

So how common is it for foreigners to know it? It seems like a large part of the foreign community speaks it, which I think is personally good. In Taiwan for example, rare is the foreigner that speaks Chinese, most can rely and do almost everything in English.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've studied the language for hundreds of hours, yet know almost nothing. I still can't properly pronounce words or form sentences well.

This language is extremely difficult. It is on par with Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese (and may be even more challenging) in terms of how long it will take to become fluent. Linguists agree- for a Western speaker, Korean is among the absolute most mindblowingly hard languages one could find.

I've been living in Korea for nine months now and have witnessed only one non ethnic Korean speaking the language conversationally well.

Coming here, I thought I'd be able to have simple conversations by the end of my first year. How naive I was.
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Css



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i guess im lower intermediate level.
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jiberish



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: The Carribean Bay Wrestler

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Korean just has one major difficulty. How words are changed depending on the sentence. Also they will have single words but the ends are cut off when used in sentences.

I do think it Korean is often easier than English though. When you do alot of direct translations it is like cave man English.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reading and listening skills far outweigh my speaking ability. I've only ever really studied alone using books or online resources, but considering I am surrounded by Korean speakers my speaking level is shameful.
I find it so frustrating to try to speak Korean sometimes because I just can't nail the pronunciation, which is extremely important for the language.
I find that a lot of Koreans have problems understanding even the slightest deviation from the correct form, so if I say just one syllable wrong or in the wrong order, they fail to understand me.
I guess pidgin Korean isn't often heard by a lot of Koreans, unlike English.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just cracking the lower intermediate realm and I still know next to nothing. The hardest thing for me is listening and vocabulary retention. A lot of the consonant/vowel words/sound sets are based on chinese characters so for me memorizing nouns is a pain in the ass because a lot of the words sound the same. In English you have words like Elephant, axe and cow. Most of these nouns won't have another meaning. The Korean word for cow is 소 which also means a heck of a lot of other things as well due to the chinese character base. THe thing is, Hanja are not taught to us waegooks so it is like learning Chinese without tones to differentiate words and with Pinyin writing. There are probably only around 700 cominbations of sound sets you can make then its just mix em up. It could just ramble off a few sound sets right now actually and I bet it is a word. For others it may be different however as it depends on the individual.

For English native speakers this language definitely tops the list in terms of difficulty. I pull my hair out everyday and I'm only a level 3. AGGGGGGGGh.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop studying and start practicing. This is the only way to fluency.

I'm not fluent by any means, but my conversation ability is pretty good (ie. good enough to be an interesting date for a few hours only in Korean). I do lack some formal knowledge which would definitely help me out a lot - and I plan on taking a course as soon as some time frees up - but I think that having a good ear for the language is a great base from which to start a formal course.

What I find most frustrating is keeping up with the konglish. They just throw it in there and it totally trips me up... and I feel a little goofy for not being able to catch it.
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here for 19 months and I am conversational. I can understand, write, and speak equally well due to practicing every single day. I can also understand and know a few advanced-level phrases and words that I picked up.

But, to go from here to fluent would take a hell of a lot of studying and practicing. I'd guess maybe six or seven more years of study and I'd be able to debate with the best of them.
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

misher wrote:
The Korean word for cow is 소 which also means a heck of a lot of other things as well due to the chinese character base. THe thing is, Hanja are not taught to us waegooks so it is like learning Chinese without tones to differentiate words and with Pinyin writing.


There is a fantastic book about the role of Chinese characters in Korean, but I can't remember off the top of my head what it is called. Perhaps someone else knows?

I started learning about 2/3 months before I came so I'm at about 7/8 months of studying. I study between an hour and three hours a day. I can do the basics fairly well. I'm just now starting to pick up words and phrases in conversations (if they speak slowly). I've worked my way through the (unnecessarily) dull Yonsei textbooks so I think I've got a decent grasp of the grammar. I just have a lack of vocab which is holding me back from the next level: conversation.


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rabidcake



Joined: 10 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What frustrates me more than anything is that it all sounds the same when people speak it to me. And the words are simply just hard to remember!
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Forward Observer



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Location: FOB Gloria

PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an almost native like pronunciation, but I only took one semester of Korean at Yonsei. Living in Korea for over five years and practicing every day helped me learn the best.

What blows me away is when you meet guys who are married to Koreans, in their 50's because they've been in Korea over ten years and they still can't read a sign, let alone tell the taxi driver where they want to go and what route to take.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a beginner but I'm also not conversational so the poll doesn't have an option for me.

To borrow an apt description from someone else, I can communicate in Korean, meaning I can make my needs known, but cannot hold a conversation in Korean, meaning discuss or chat about things for any length of time. Until I can, I can't call myself 'conversational level'.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
I've studied the language for hundreds of hours, yet know almost nothing. I still can't properly pronounce words or form sentences well.

This language is extremely difficult. It is on par with Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese (and may be even more challenging) in terms of how long it will take to become fluent. Linguists agree- for a Western speaker, Korean is among the absolute most mindblowingly hard languages one could find.

I've been living in Korea for nine months now and have witnessed only one non ethnic Korean speaking the language conversationally well.

Coming here, I thought I'd be able to have simple conversations by the end of my first year. How naive I was.


Arabic is by far easier. Only the alphabet's hard cause of all those accent marks. But the chatting language isn't too bad.

The Korean alphabet is easier to learn. But, the actual words aren't as precise as English. If talk to someone in English you know exactly how they're feeling by the words they use. Doing the same thing in Korean and you've got to monitor body language and intonation.

I actually thought Jeju Korean is easier to understand. They glaze over a lot of the pronunciations but they leave the key sounds intact. So you don't get stuck in the smoke screen
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daemyann



Joined: 09 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your poll should include two types of conversational ability.
I can do a lot more than a few basic tasks, but I'd hardly call it good conversation.

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I agree that there seems to be a higher percentage of people learning the language than in the past. Having said that, I assumed it was just a case of not seeing something until you look for it. I never really cared to look for how many other people were into learning it until I made the choice myself.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What blows me away is when you meet guys who are married to Koreans, in their 50's because they've been in Korea over ten years and they still can't read a sign, let alone tell the taxi driver where they want to go and what route to take.


I'm always surprised when people get surprised about how little Korean many expats here speak. All the posters on here who speak the language study a great deal and take it seriously and you can't learn it otherwise. People who work full time jobs and enjoy their leisure time in other ways are never going to just pick it up. Length of time here is also largely irrelevant as if you don't make any effort, the amount of Korean someone who's been here a year knows and someone who's been here 10 is going to be pretty similar. There's a strong argument for the benefits of making the time to learn it but there are strong arguments for going to the gym regularly or volunteering to do charity work. I'd say the majority of working people here, even the ones married to koreans, have just made the conscious decision to do other stuff in their free time.
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