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Sergio Stefanuto
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 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: Girl with 3 brain tumors "has migraine" |
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Care to guess which country?
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Doctors repeatedly mistook a teenage girl's cancer for migraines - spotting three tumours only after her father refused to leave the hospital until she had a CT scan. Danica Maxwell, 14, said she felt like 'a nuisance'. When she was eventually operated on she was told she would have died had the cancer gone unnoticed any longer.
The tumours removed from her body were deemed so unusual they were sent to America for analysis.
Danica, of Egremont, Cumbria, had been suffering from memory loss, confusion, drowsiness, violent sickness and agonising headaches. But doctors said her symptoms were the result of migraines and transferred her to a migraine clinic. It was only when she visited the hospital for a third time that the cancer was discovered - but only after her father insisted she was scanned. The scan revealed three tumours - one the size of a tennis ball which was pressing against her spine.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1268015/Girl-14-diagnosed-migraine-3-brain-tumours-died-days-father-insisted-CT-scan.html |
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Interested
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, so what? Unfortunately misdiagnosis happens in every country you can think of.
Are you suggesting that every time someone presents with a headache, they should be scanned immediately?
Reading your article, it doesn't actually seem as bad as you present in your OP. It did get diagnosed relatively quickly. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Interested wrote: |
| Yes, so what? Unfortunately misdiagnosis happens in every country you can think of. |
Yes, so what?
Are you suggesting that since misdiagnosis happens in every country you can think of, it therefore follows that the NHS doesn't have a culture of inefficiency and poor service - chillingly illustrated by this particular example?
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| Are you suggesting that every time someone presents with a headache, they should be scanned immediately? |
Irrelevant
"It was only when she visited the hospital for a third time that the cancer was discovered - but only after her father insisted she was scanned"
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| Reading your article, it doesn't actually seem as bad as you present in your OP. It did get diagnosed relatively quickly. |
albeit after three visits and insistence from the father.
Still, well done for jumping on the defensive on behalf of the incompetent and miserable layabouts employed by the NHS |
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Interested
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| No, well done for using one extraneous example extrapolate to a whole nation. I could find you a similar example for any country in the world - including the US, which I'm sure is the health system you most admire. That's my point - your argument is very silly. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| Interested wrote: |
| No, well done for using one extraneous example extrapolate to a whole nation. |
It isn't extraneous.
http://www.thewelfarestatewerein.com/archives/nhs/index.php
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| I could find you a similar example for any country in the world |
Such examples, if found, would prove what exactly?
Let's say you found some identical example. No doubt, there are some. Would it be your conclusion that, since other healthcare systems clearly have issues with basic competence, it follows that it is unreasonable to criticize the NHS? |
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Interested
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Let's go back to this, shall we?
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Care to guess which country?
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It's like you are suggesting that these problems are somehow unique to the NHS. Sheer nonsense. It happens in any country. But you are singling out the UK and the NHS.
Anyway, there are not enough Brits on this forum for anyone to care. So holler away. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:32 am Post subject: |
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2000 paper: The Impact of NHS Rationing on Heart Disease and Cancer
But still, since the NHS and 'free' and universal healthcare has a superficially pleasing appearance, only an extremely unpleasant and meanspirited individual would even consider looking at evidence that the NHS consistently produces truly dire results. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Interested wrote: |
It's like you are suggesting that these problems are somehow unique to the NHS. |
Nope. It's like "the NHS is widely considered dire - here's a shocking example of what can happen when you show up at an NHS hospital in urgent need of medical attention"
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| It happens in any country. |
What happens in other countries is not relevant. Changing the subject to other countries does not invalidate, or even challenge, my assertion that the NHS is pretty dire.
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| But you are singling out the UK and the NHS. |
because it's in the news and concerns me directly |
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Fox
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: |
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I like this line:
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| Nobody would want to copy the Americans ... |
In all seriousness, though, do you agree with their suggestion that the German model is what Britain should adopt? |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| In all seriousness, though, do you agree with their suggestion that the German model is what Britain should adopt? |
I've never studied it. It wouldn't surprise me at all if ze Chermans have outstanding healthcare, however |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Great grandmother dies after doctors fail to diagnose broken neck
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Maud Cole, 86, was admitted to hospital after a fall but medics discharged her on the same day, claiming an X-ray was unnecessary.
After being discharged she was readmitted to the hospital eight days later after her condition deteriorated.
Five days later Mrs Cole, who was complaining of neck pain, went for a CT scan and the break was detected.
Her condition worsened rapidly after she was considered unsuitable for surgery and she died the next day.
Mr Cole said: �They said they were extremely surprised she had been let back to the care home on the same day as her neck was distorted so much that they couldn't administer eye drops without laying her down.�
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1283922/Great-grandmother-dies-doctors-fail-diagnose-broken-neck.html |
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Hyeon Een
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Everywhere should adopt the Singaporean model |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Libertarian loon-ery is the answer! |
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Konglishman
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
| Everywhere should adopt the Singaporean model |
I love Singapore. I don't have to listen to anyone chewing gum. What more could one ask for?  |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Stupid politicians:
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