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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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The only "cult leader" I follow is God. As a bona fide spiritual master, Bhaktivedanta Swami never claimed to be omniscient like God.
However, since the Vedic literatures describe the moon as a heavenly planet with higher dimensional beings, he concluded that the astronauts did not attain the level of consciousness needed to perceive the elevated life forms present even if they had managed to get there.
He also suggested that the moon landing might have been a hoax of some sort (which many people who are not followers of his think may be the case.) |
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pangaea
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| What exactly would be the purpose and benefit of faking the moon landing? |
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Welsh Canadian
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| pangaea wrote: |
| What exactly would be the purpose and benefit of faking the moon landing? |
You had to go and say it didn't you? Now you've gone and started Rteacher off. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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National pride was hurt when the U.S. apparently fell behind the Soviet Union in the "space race" - the Soviets had put the first man/woman in space, the first animal in space, the first three-person mission in space, and the first space station in orbit. During the - often very heated - "cold war" these kind of achievements were thought to have great propaganda value, and Presidents JFK and LBJ had set deadlines for somehow putting a man on the moon.
Plus, it was probably seen as a useful exercise in controlling the public by manipulating mass media (ala the movie Wag the Dog and the old adage "You can fool all of the people some of the time ...") |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| He also suggested that the moon landing might have been a hoax of some sort (which many people who are not followers of his think may be the case.) |
Yes, but you only think it because he does, which was my point. |
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pangaea
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Rteacher wrote:
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| National pride was hurt when the U.S. apparently fell behind the Soviet Union in the "space race" - the Soviets had put the first man/woman in space, the first animal in space, the first three-person mission in space, and the first space station in orbit. During the - often very heated - "cold war" these kind of achievements were thought to have great propaganda value, and Presidents JFK and LBJ had set deadlines for somehow putting a man on the moon. |
It still doesn't seem logical. Maybe you could fool the general public with a few pictures, but not scientists and the people who were working for other space agencies. There are so many details and complex problems involved in a space mission that once people started asking the really difficult questions, the cat would be out of the bag.
Also, space missions don't involve just a handful of people. There would have to be hundreds of people involved-the people who designed and built space vehicles, companies that supply parts, builders, scientists, pilots, back up pilots, people involved in mission control. All of these people would have had to be involved in the "fake" moon landing. By now, someone in NASA would have come forward with a plausible fake moon landing story, but no one has. What did NASA do? Employ the mob to threaten everyone involved if they told?
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| Plus, it was probably seen as a useful exercise in controlling the public by manipulating mass media (ala the movie Wag the Dog and the old adage "You can fool all of the people some of the time ...") |
How exactly would NASA completing a moon landing help "control" the public? |
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Welsh Canadian
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
The only "cult leader" I follow is God. As a bona fide spiritual master, Bhaktivedanta Swami never claimed to be omniscient like God.
However, since the Vedic literatures describe the moon as a heavenly planet with higher dimensional beings, he concluded that the astronauts did not attain the level of consciousness needed to perceive the elevated life forms present even if they had managed to get there.
He also suggested that the moon landing might have been a hoax of some sort (which many people who are not followers of his think may be the case.) |
I am wondering who is smarter. Rteacher or the Chimp that went into space? |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
| He also suggested that the moon landing might have been a hoax of some sort (which many people who are not followers of his think may be the case.) |
Yes, but you only think it because he does, which was my point. |
Actually, I first thought about the moon landing being faked because of an article that I read in Ramparts magazine several years before I joined the Krishnas.
I vaguely remember a frame-by-frame analysis showing what appeared to be an astronaut on the surface of the moon shooing away a fly. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Welsh Canadian wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
The only "cult leader" I follow is God. As a bona fide spiritual master, Bhaktivedanta Swami never claimed to be omniscient like God.
However, since the Vedic literatures describe the moon as a heavenly planet with higher dimensional beings, he concluded that the astronauts did not attain the level of consciousness needed to perceive the elevated life forms present even if they had managed to get there.
He also suggested that the moon landing might have been a hoax of some sort (which many people who are not followers of his think may be the case.) |
I am wondering who is smarter. Rteacher or the Chimp that went into space? |
Rteacher is probably smarter (since the chimp is dead...) |
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Welsh Canadian
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Welsh Canadian wrote: |
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The only "cult leader" I follow is God. As a bona fide spiritual master, Bhaktivedanta Swami never claimed to be omniscient like God.
However, since the Vedic literatures describe the moon as a heavenly planet with higher dimensional beings, he concluded that the astronauts did not attain the level of consciousness needed to perceive the elevated life forms present even if they had managed to get there.
He also suggested that the moon landing might have been a hoax of some sort (which many people who are not followers of his think may be the case.) |
I am wondering who is smarter. Rteacher or the Chimp that went into space? |
Rteacher is probably smarter (since the chimp is dead...) |
Dead chimp is still smarter. It got to go into space and believed the moon landings were real. |
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CentralCali
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| Here's something else amusing. There was a post upthread about the reason for faking the moon landing was the situation of the Cold War, where the US and the USSR were not so friendly with each other. Well, if it's so easy to prove that the US faked the Moon landings, why then did the USSR not clue into that and utterly destroy the US's reputation re the space protram? Here's the answer: Because the landings weren't faked. |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:59 am Post subject: |
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A dead chimp may be smarter than me, but I'm smarter than you guys - at least insofar as paying attention to details...
From the same Wikipedia article:
A primary reason for the race to the Moon was the Cold War. Philip Plait states in Bad Astronomy that the Soviets, with their own competing Moon program and a formidable scientific community able to analyze NASA data, could be expected to have cried foul if the United States tried to fake a Moon landing,[24] especially since their own program had failed. Successfully pointing out a hoax would have been a major propaganda coup. Bart Sibrel has responded, "the Soviets did not have the capability to track deep spacecraft until late in 1972, immediately after which, the last three Apollo missions were abruptly canceled."[25]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories
It should also be noted that none of the major critics claims to have conclusive proof that any of the moon landings were faked. At most, they have uncovered evidence that casts reasonable doubt - that at this stage can only be cleared up by a competent independent source. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| pangaea wrote: |
| What exactly would be the purpose and benefit of faking the moon landing? |
Um, really?
1) Race to Space with a Sattelite - Winner, the Russians!
2) Race to Space with a man - Winner, The Russians!
3) Race to the Moon - Winner.............
I have looked at a lot of evidence, but not enough to allow me to decide on this matter. I am not saying that the moon landings were faked, but I think that it's possible and that it would be quite justifiable given the political climate to do so if they thought the Russians would beat them there.
At one time I was convinced, but that episode of mythbusters knocked my beleif down a peg.
People like me who ( have in the past) beleived that they were faked are not stupid, idiots, or morons. Some people look at BOTH sides of certain issues and try to decide for ourselves what is true. We may be wrong in some of our beleifs, but we don't blindly beleive everything that the media or the government tells us.
People who thought there may not have been weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - were right.
People who though Corey Haim didnt die of a Drug overdose - were right
People who thought that the Earth was round - were right
Sometimes the popular belief is not the right one, and sometimes there IS evidence that can show that a common belief is false.
I am not sure if it can ever be conclusively proven that the moon landings were faked or not unless we can deduce that it was IMPOSSIBLE to recreate the conditions on Earth.
BUt again, I still have not examined all of the evidence, and I could be wrong.
Its the joy of free thought though, I am allowed to take my time figuring out what I beleive, and people are not idiots because they don't agree with you. |
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pangaea
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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pangaea wrote:
What exactly would be the purpose and benefit of faking the moon landing? |
Um, really?
1) Race to Space with a Sattelite - Winner, the Russians!
2) Race to Space with a man - Winner, The Russians!
3) Race to the Moon - Winner.............
I have looked at a lot of evidence, but not enough to allow me to decide on this matter. I am not saying that the moon landings were faked, but I think that it's possible and that it would be quite justifiable given the political climate to do so if they thought the Russians would beat them there.
At one time I was convinced, but that episode of mythbusters knocked my beleif down a peg.
People like me who ( have in the past) beleived that they were faked are not stupid, idiots, or morons. Some people look at BOTH sides of certain issues and try to decide for ourselves what is true. We may be wrong in some of our beleifs, but we don't blindly beleive everything that the media or the government tells us.
People who thought there may not have been weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - were right.
People who though Corey Haim didnt die of a Drug overdose - were right
People who thought that the Earth was round - were right
Sometimes the popular belief is not the right one, and sometimes there IS evidence that can show that a common belief is false.
I am not sure if it can ever be conclusively proven that the moon landings were faked or not unless we can deduce that it was IMPOSSIBLE to recreate the conditions on Earth.
BUt again, I still have not examined all of the evidence, and I could be wrong.
Its the joy of free thought though, I am allowed to take my time figuring out what I beleive, and people are not idiots because they don't agree with you. |
I never called anyone any names and I never said anyone was not entitled to his or her own beliefs or opinions. I asked a simple question. Answer the question or don't answer it, but there is no reason to accuse people of saying something they didn't, other than to try to put them on the defensive so you don't have to come up with a reasoned and intelligent response. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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my bad, that whole thing wasnt directed at you. There are others on ths board wh have basically said that if you think the moon landings were faked then you ar stupid.
I just happenned to respond initially to your post about why, then kind of continued on to answer other parts of the thread |
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