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Cheyne · Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Location: Ilsan

In which part in particular mate?

tsgarp · Joined: 01 Dec 2003

Harvard Material · Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul

Alias...there is an ad for free hapkido lessons in the Seoul Classified. Kind of free; in exchange for English lessons of some sort. Maybe be worthwhile looking into. Can't recall what station it is. It's on the #2 line...yongtap? songtap?? Look in the classified section if you are interested.

Good luck!

Stunted Wookie · Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Sound Studio

Cheyne · Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Location: Ilsan

Ok, well let's go over it then Daniel San....

>Taekwondo came form Japanese Karate.

You don't believe this is true? Have a look at some of the TKD Kata...Shotokan to be very correct.

>Hapkido came from Japanese Jiu-jitsu.

Exactly the same as Karate mate...if you have a look at the moves they use, the sequence of the locks, the syllabus....it is very very similar.

Anyone with any MA knowledge KNOWS that TKD and Hapkido are a direct lineage of Japan...

>Japanese Karate is aimed at children. Therefor when it was introduced >to Korea, the Koreans got the short end of the stick. That is why when >you look at TKD who see flashy kicks and nothing with substance. >Karate has some underlying factors such as pressure point strikes, wrist >locks, arm bars, chokes, throws etc but the Karate that was taught to >children was disguised so that children would not be able to hurt each >other. This can be seen in the Karate Kata.

Which part of this are you not agreeing with? Karate was designed for Physical Education in school programs. There is no speculation in that.

>So to answer your question, you need to find a good teacher and figure >out what you want out of it. There are too many mugs going around >teaching MA so find yourself some with a sense of humour and a passion >for looking after you.

And this part? Granted, I was in a rush and it isn't exactly what I wanted to say but it pretty much summed up what I was feeling.

>Cheers

And this? Oh wait...Cheers...

the_beaver · Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Stunted Wookie · Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Sound Studio

Cheyne · Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Location: Ilsan

The term "Karate" gets thrown around too much without people realsing what it means.

The predecessor of modern karate, Te, involved training that was considered inappropriate for most members of the community, and especially school children.

Anko Itosu, must have realized that for karate to survive it needed to follow the same path that saw Jujutsu reinvented as Judo, and Kenjutsu as Kendo. Both of these new Japanese arts had been introduced into the Physical Education programs of Okinawan Schools.

I believe that Itosu recreated Te as Karate in the hope of preserving Okinawa��s Martial Art for future generations and was clever in how he set about it. Introducing karate into the PE programs of Okinawan schools was a smart move. It ensured that the children of Okinawa all learned the art and by teaching the schoolteachers to teach karate meant the art could self perpetuate.

Any questions?

Cheyne · Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Location: Ilsan

Cheyne wrote:
>Hapkido came from Japanese Jiu-jitsu.

Exactly the same as Karate mate...if you have a look at the moves they use, the sequence of the locks, the syllabus....it is very very similar.

Negative. Both jiu-jitsu and hapkido came from aikido.

Fair call mate...Aikido I do not know much about. Excuse my ignorance on this matter....

Stunted Wookie · Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Sound Studio

Modern Karate developed from Sokon Matsumura (1828-1898, Shuri-te), Kosaku Matsumora (1829-1898, Tomari-te) and Kanryo Higaonna (1853-1915, Naha-te)

Itsou sumitted the Ten articles of Karate in 1908, these broke with the old way of passing everything to your heir.

It was around then that Todi become Karate. A change of characters...but he was not the first one to use it.

While you are on the right track, you still miss the point that Kaarte was not 'designed' for students....
A karate program was designed for students....much the same way Basketball is in high school. Same rules as the NBA; but just a little less intense eh.

School's out, turn the lights off when you leave.

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J.B. Clamence · Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Alias · Joined: 24 Jan 2003

Alias · Joined: 24 Jan 2003

Cheyne · Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Location: Ilsan

No, you are missing my point....the program designed for students was called "KARATE".

I am not here to give you a lesson on the traditions and history of Te, but you are on the right track yourself but are blinded by what you think is the "real" karate. Uechi-Ryu is a style of Martial Arts, it is not Karate. So, in fact, you could say that you are not teaching/learning Karate.

Karate is Karate. Uechi Ryu is not Karate. There is no style in Karate.

My club teaches some kata that was taught in the schooling system, Pinan, Nifanchi. They also teach competition Kata that wins competitions, ie Supaenpei, Bassai/Seinchin (for WKF) because these are the Kata that wins tournaments. They also teach Shuri, Naha, Matsumura, Tomari, To'on Kata as well. For the older guys they learn Sanchin and Tensho.
We do Dojo and Competition sparring. We also do Kobudo, bo, tonfa, sai, nunchaku and Kama. We also do wrist locks, arm bars, pressure point strikes, sweeps, takedowns, throws, chokes, grappling, flow drills as part of our Kata meanings, bunkai if you will.

Should we classify this as Karate? No....because these were not part of the program which they called Karate. Yes, we do some Karate Kata but that is what we say, Pinan Nidan is Karate Kata. Shito-Ryu Bassai is just that, Shito-Ryu Bassai, not Karate Bassai.

Still playing some basketball so will turn the light off when I think you are ready.