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beatbox_bandit



Joined: 27 May 2009
Location: Washington State

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject: Tax information for Americans Reply with quote

Hey everyone, I'm sorry about this as I'm sure this as been covered many times before, but the link to the thread on this topic in the FAQ is broken and the search feature seems to be timing out or something, I dunno...

Anyway, does anybody know where I can find some information about taxes for US citizens, specifically about money earned abroad? Do I need to pay taxes on my Korean income, or at least fill out some special forms? Thanks a lot, and sorry again!
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EstlHope



Joined: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Lafayette, Indiana

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to get a certificate of residency so that you can be exempt from paying Korean taxes for the first two years of your employment. After that, you will have to pay taxes.

You will need to fill out the form 8802.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8802.pdf

Instructions can be found here:
http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i8802/ch01.html

In line 7, you will want to put 2009, and in line 8 it is 200912.

From what I understand, we will still need to file a tax form with the US government, but we only pay taxes on income above $70,000 per year. If you are making that as a teacher, I want to know where you are working!!

Good luck figuring it all out!
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raindrop



Joined: 01 Apr 2010
Location: USA

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you work at a hagwon, does the 2 year Korean tax exemption apply as well? I had the impression that you had to work at either a public school or a university to get this. But if I'm wrong, someone please tell me because I will be at a hagwon and would love to not pay Korean taxes for 2 years.
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EstlHope



Joined: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Lafayette, Indiana

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I understand, the atx exemption is based on a treaty between the US and South Korea, not on where you are employed. I know that you can read an English version of the tax treaty on korvia's website. I'm on a cell phone right now, so I can't look up the link for you myself.
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTH? We can be exempt from paying KOREAN taxes for the first two years? That's news to me, i've been paying taxes since day one.

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From what I understand, we will still need to file a tax form with the US government, but we only pay taxes on income above $70,000 per year.


That's what i heard too (actually i think they raised that limit this year or something) but what form is that we need to fill out?
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Pyxis



Joined: 12 Oct 2008
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When in comes time to file, you'll have an automatic extension, so you won't need to file until June 15. At that time you'll to file your regular 1040 as well as the form 2555 for your foreign earned income.

I've usually filed just using TurboTax online. You'll end up paying an extra 40ish dollars because you'll need to upgrade from their free version, but it was worth it to me to save me from the hassle of trying to figure out everything on my own.
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beatbox_bandit



Joined: 27 May 2009
Location: Washington State

PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone! Looks like the Korean tax exemption is only for those teaching at colleges and universities.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/living/teaching/teaching_1240.html

Scroll down to the tax information
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyxis wrote:
When in comes time to file, you'll have an automatic extension, so you won't need to file until June 15. At that time you'll to file your regular 1040 as well as the form 2555 for your foreign earned income.

I've usually filed just using TurboTax online. You'll end up paying an extra 40ish dollars because you'll need to upgrade from their free version, but it was worth it to me to save me from the hassle of trying to figure out everything on my own.


When you use TurboTax don't they take the fee from US checking account? Can you pay by credit card? Does the Korean tax exemption apply for working in Korean corporation?
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EstlHope



Joined: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Lafayette, Indiana

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that any US citizen working in South Korea gets the tax exemption for two years. Here is the actual tax treaty that you can read. It is kinda long and boring, but it has all of the information that you need.

http://www.korvia.com/downloads/tax_agreement/taxation_agreement_us.pdf
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ACT III



Joined: 14 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea about the Korean two year exemption but I do know that you must file taxes in the USA. When you use taxact which is free you can submit the 2555 which is exemption up to 83? Thousand dollars a year. You still have to file every year but you don't pay any taxes in the states. I think if your exempt in Korea than you must pay taxes in the states. (I really doubt that both countries would let us slide from taxes.)
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laynamarya



Joined: 01 Jan 2010
Location: Gwangjin-gu

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just so you know, if you happen to be from Massachusetts, you have to change your permanent residence (and pass a bonafide residency test) to S. Korea in order to NOT owe taxes to the Commonwealth. It's the only state that does not exempt foreign-earned income, though, so if you are from any other state, don't worry about it.
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Pyxis



Joined: 12 Oct 2008
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

red_devil wrote:


When you use TurboTax don't they take the fee from US checking account? Can you pay by credit card? Does the Korean tax exemption apply for working in Korean corporation?


You can pay TurboTax's fees with a credit card.

I'm a public school teacher and I'm exempt. It does go beyond colleges and universities, though I can't claim expertise enough to say much more.

I might point out, it isn't that two governments are letting us out of taxes, it is more that the circumstances are right that we're getting out of taxes from two governments for a brief period of time. The exemption only lasts two years, after that you must pay Korean taxes. The US exemption only applies to income under a certain amount. If you made more or if you stayed longer, you'd be paying taxes. We're just lucky that we don't make enough for the the US to care at the moment and we're within a grace period on Korean taxes.

You do have to report the US how much you made, you just don't have to pay taxes on it (assuming you've made under their set limit). I'm on my second year in Korea and have not paid taxes to Korea (and even said as much on my tax forms) I filed my federal and state (Virginia) taxes and paid nothing on either.
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carleverson



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the extension date for filing taxes this year?
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carleverson



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you guys file your taxes yet?

We have until June 15 to get it done.

The maximum foreign earned income exclusion for tax year 2009 is $91,400.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laynamarya wrote:
Just so you know, if you happen to be from Massachusetts, you have to change your permanent residence (and pass a bonafide residency test) to S. Korea in order to NOT owe taxes to the Commonwealth. It's the only state that does not exempt foreign-earned income, though, so if you are from any other state, don't worry about it.


I thought that the 2555 was for everyone who qualified. Those from Massachusetts can't do it?
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