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Ideas for games that I can ensure one team wins
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Ideas for games that I can ensure one team wins Reply with quote

I've got an after school class where the girls are angels and the boys are all *****. So I'd like to play team games where I can arbitrarily boost and lower points so that the team that I like the best wins. Whenever they play a fair game the boys are sore winners and loud and obnoxious. So I'd like to bruise those egos a bit to make them calm down.

But, it has to be done in a way that makes it seem fair. You know how kids are. They will see any unfairness and blame and complain.

Ideas?
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lowpo



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Ideas for games that I can ensure one team wins Reply with quote

jonpurdy wrote:
I've got an after school class where the girls are angels and the boys are all *****. So I'd like to play team games where I can arbitrarily boost and lower points so that the team that I like the best wins. Whenever they play a fair game the boys are sore winners and loud and obnoxious. So I'd like to bruise those egos a bit to make them calm down.

But, it has to be done in a way that makes it seem fair. You know how kids are. They will see any unfairness and blame and complain.

Ideas?

I take way points if one of the teams are doing something bad. If a team gets to loud, cutting up, or talking when another team is trying to speak.
Once you start taking points away, they usually get better.
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thegadfly



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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is a quiz-style game, you could introduce questions that score for originality or creativity -- something other than the typical right or wrong responses. I have handed slips of paper to a team, and had them write a mechanically correct sentence that satisfies other criteria (such as "use a past tense verb and an adverb" or " use a third person plural pronoun and both a direct and indirect object"). You could make is as simple as "write an interesting, correct sentence." Since you are interested in one team winning, clearly, their sentences would be more interesting....

Honestly, though, since you are moderating the games, you do not even need to do that -- just pick the questions you know the team can answer, and give the other team the questions you know they can NOT answer.

I pretty much always use a "magician's choice" anyway, regardless of the game I play:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation_(magic)

Games in a classroom are intended to serve a purpose, and if they are NOT serving that purpose in the "fair" manner, then I resort to the "unfair" manner...but fair and unfair are incorrectly applied to classroom games, in my opinion -- there are only games which effectively support the lessons I am trying to teach, or games that are ineffective in support the lessons...and obviously, and ineffective game needs to be abandoned...so I alter it.
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theshadowranger



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does it have to be a boys vs girls team? Why not mix them up?
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GreenlightmeansGO



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Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could they have a strip-off?
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Depths of My Soul



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ideas for games that I can ensure one team wins


Snooker?
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OiGirl



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any game where they have to answer questions and you pick the questions. Even if you're "ramdomly" picking them out of a box, you've already pre-sorted and put the tougher ones for the boys on one side.
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egrog1717



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Set it up so that if the girls are down by one point, the final question of the game is worth two points Very Happy
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RufusW



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Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Ideas for games that I can ensure one team wins Reply with quote

lowpo wrote:
I take way points if one of the teams are doing something bad.

This. They should get better immediately.
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ippy



Joined: 25 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i doubt it, if it was my kids, unless the reward is something MASSIVE, theyd be pushing to see how far into the negatives they could get.

Rig it is the only way. Do a jeapordy game but just happen to have questions that *by pure chance!!!* happen to be in the interests of the girls answering and not in the interests of the boys. Or just make the 50 point questions about girl stuff and the ten point questions about boy stuff. Really if its a gender divide its quite simple. Random chance is not in fact random.
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Ideas for games that I can ensure one team wins Reply with quote

Thank you all for the good advice.

thegadfly wrote:

just pick the questions you know the team can answer, and give the other team the questions you know they can NOT answer.


Yes, good advice. I'll also tailor to each grade level (since there are 4, 5, 6 grade students).

GreenlightmeansGO wrote:

Could they have a strip-off?


I teach elementary.

theshadowranger wrote:

does it have to be a boys vs girls team? Why not mix them up?


The problem is that the boys are so obnoxious that they tend to take over any team they are on. So it'd be loud boys and quiet girls vs. other loud boys and quiet girls.

lowpo wrote:
I take way points if one of the teams are doing something bad.


I guess my main problem is that I subscribed to barryfunenglish.com a couple of weeks ago and have been using lots of games from that. Unfortunately, I can't control the scores or take away points using that stuff. I suppose that's the main problem lately.

Can anyone think of sites that have games where you can arbitrarily take away points and such?
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thegadfly



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry -- what do you mean you "can't" take points away? Rule 1 -- you are the teacher, you MAKE the rules in your own classroom. Rule 2 -- in the case of disagreement, see Rule 1.

You are not there to serve the games you are playing, the games are supposed to be serving YOUR purpose in the classroom, so change away to that end....
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jonpurdy



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thegadfly wrote:
I'm sorry -- what do you mean you "can't" take points away? Rule 1 -- you are the teacher, you MAKE the rules in your own classroom. Rule 2 -- in the case of disagreement, see Rule 1.

You are not there to serve the games you are playing, the games are supposed to be serving YOUR purpose in the classroom, so change away to that end....


Oh, I mean like the games are Flash games with hard-coded points and such. The points are kept by the computer, not me, so I can't change them arbitrarily.

You are correct though, I should probably use less barryfunenglish.com and revert back to my older (non-computer) games. It's made me lazy these past couple of weeks.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try Baam on
http://eflclassroom.com
It's an elimination game play until there is only one team left.
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perkxplosion



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Ideas for games that I can ensure one team wins Reply with quote

RufusW wrote:
lowpo wrote:
I take way points if one of the teams are doing something bad.

This. They should get better immediately.

Yes it's as simple as this. You can further reinforce it with a positive reward such as candy or a toy. I work with kindergarteners so they love just about everything. I have a bag filled with a bunch of worthless arts and crafts stuff (google eyes, wire, stars, etc) and each time they do good they get something from the bag. At the end I just say "lets clean up" and they throw all the junk back in. It works wonders.
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