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[Stunted Wookie]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Karate like everything else is the label we apply to it. Funakoshi taught what he had learned....This collection would becomg Shotokan.


a particular style incorporates forms that complement its stylists. Naha stemmed into Goju for harder, larger persons, while shuri and tomari were well suited for lighter faster types...

Its Karate, its the collection of Japanese empty hand systems. Uechi-ryu while not originating from te, developed into one of the most popular forms in Okinawa....yeah its karate to.

The word karate was coined to encompass the whole spectrum of empty hand arts on the island.

when you don't know what you are talking about its best to remain silent. Lights out.

[mack the knife]

I want to learn the "Iron Armor", "Five fingers of Death", and "Snake and Crane style".

Which martial art should I study?

[Crazy Eagle]

Hi,

If you can, learn jujitsu. It is the most effective of the martial arts, as it combines striking and grappling. If you cannot find a good school, then learn something as close a possible, something that has elements of boxing and wrestling.

Or, first learn Thai boxing, then take up judo. That will cover most of the bases.

crazy eagle

[hellofaniceguy]

All martial started from China. Then each country adpted some form from the original and called it their own. As for the best????
A winner hands down; who has heart, the guts and wants to win. It doesn't matter what MA one knows, 90% all end up on the ground in the first few minutes and you need to know wrestling skills and grapling skills. If you have the "kill" urge and don't give up and keep comimg back even if you are knocked down, you'll win.

[Stunted Wookie]

[Crazy Eagle]

Hello,

Sorry, I beg to differ. "All martial arts started in China?" Puh-leeze! A martial art is just that - an art of combat. They were independantly invented all over the world, human nature being what it is, we have always punched and clubbed and stabbed each other. The Greeks were practicing a form of extreme fighting 25 centuries ago, out of which evolved boxing and wrestling.

And some forms of unarmed combat are more effective than others. Look at the early Utlimate Fighting contests (such as 1 to 5) and you can see how Brazilian Jujitsu really cleaned up. I do agree with your point that wrestling skills are crucial. So the best thing is to learn how to throw and avoid punches (boxing), and mix this with a grappling art. Best of all, learn something that combines both techniques.

Fighting is stupid, but sometimes neccessary.

Crazy Eagle

[Cheyne]

[You have no idea what you are talking about.

Karate like everything else is the label we apply to it. Funakoshi taught what he had learned....This collection would becomg Shotokan.

So therefor it means Funakoshi then taught "Funakoshi Style" not Karate. Shotokan was a name his students used after he died as a way for people to remember Funakoshi's style...

If you teach then you are teaching "Stunted Wookie Style".

If I teach, I am teaching "Cheyne style", not Karate. I may teach some Karate principles, but I have adapted skills to suit me, my body type, what I like and what I think is effective. Therefor it means that I teach "Cheyne style" with an influence from my father, his instructors, Mitani Kazuyo, his instructor, Kinjo Hiroshi and his instrucutor...etc etc. These guys taught what they thought was effective parts of the Martial Arts....be it parts of Karate, Te, Naha...

a particular style incorporates forms that complement its stylists. Naha stemmed into Goju for harder, larger persons, while shuri and tomari were well suited for lighter faster types...

Yes, this is well documented....

Its Karate, its the collection of Japanese empty hand systems. Uechi-ryu while not originating from te, developed into one of the most popular forms in Okinawa....yeah its karate to.

Uechi is Uechi....it is not Karate. It may have influences from Te, Shuri, Naha etc but it is not Karate. Uechi is a style of Martial Arts.

The word karate was coined to encompass the whole spectrum of empty hand arts on the island.

Yes and no. After Karate became popular in schools, it was used by teachers to gather more students because the term Karate was a household name.

when you don't know what you are talking about its best to remain silent. Lights out.

I don't call myself a researcher, a historian or anything like that. I listen to my father, his teacher, his teachers teacher. What I am saying is fact.

Unfortunately you are about ten years behind us. My father was in the same boat as you ten years ago, but he researched and found a guy named Patrick McCarthy who opened his eyes a little wider. From there he started opening up doors that were otherwise closed. Opening these doors opened up others until he came to his mentor, Mitani Kazuyo.

So if you still do not believe what I say, then you are playing baseball in another field mate.

[rok_the-boat]

In Seoul it is easy to find Judo and Aikido. There is also a little Kyokushinkai Karate (Incheon), and one BJJ. Muay Thai is everywhere.

Taekwondo, created in the mid 1950s, used to be the same as Karate - rummage around Tongdaemun bookshops and find yourself an old TKD book and you'll see the forms are the same as Karate. The main founder of TKD trained in Japan. He later moved to Canada and created the ITF - he also introduced TKD to North Korea. Somewhere down the line the Koreans changed TKD forms to make them more 'Korean' and started on the 2000 year history story. Many young Koreans are now finding this out via the internet but many, even teachers, are still not aware. Many GIs took TKD back to the US in the 60s and found it to bethe same as Karate, like - IDENTICAL.

Hapkido stems from Daito-ryu Aiki-jujutsu, brought over by Choi Yong-sul after WWII. Well, they used to claim that, then, somewhere down the line they have disassociated themselves from anything related to Japan, and some even deny it. They then added many kicks and other techniques, addedthe 2000 year heritage story, and then lost the original stuff. Many don't know, even teachers, but many are relearning their past. 'Hapki Yusul' in Daejeon and Geumsan teach the only ORIGINAL Hapkido I know of, that taught by Choi Yong-sul. But, adding to the stirring pot, Daito-ryu in Japan say they never heard of him.

Even students of Kuksool (national martial art) have recently discovered books in Chinese on their 'Korean heritage art' - meaning, they have been duped.

If you want a Korean art, try Taekyeon - yet, be aware, all schools stem from a single lone artist who popularised this art post WWII.

Taekkyeon is better because there are more adults around - TKD is now just a kids creche; HKD can be better, sometimes.

If you wanna know more - you'll need to get into the Korean net.

[Yaya]

Actually, Korean martial arts are as old as Korea itself. Any country that has been invaded as much as Korea has does get with the program in terms of military arts.

That said, yes, many Korean arts have the Japanese influence on them due to Japanese colonial rule. One (Western) historian said the only original Korean arts he found were yusool and subak-do.

Hapkido's origins are in dispute, particularly over who founded it. Choi Yong-suhl is credited as the founder but Ji Han-jae, the guy Bruce Lee fought in Game of Death, is also laying claim. I have a hyung who swears hapkido is indigenous to Korea and well, I just leave it alone. I also hear that hapkido, NOT taekwondo, originally had the flashy kicks taekwondo is known for.

I also hear that certain Korean Buddhist temples have their own styles, one being call bummudo.

Taekyon doesn't impress me much even though it does have a few good moves. Sometimes, it looks more like traditional dance than martial art.

[Toby]

The best martial art to study........................?





Self defence from the kids I teach, particularly when you have a 6 year old charging at you with his head slightly bowed, aiming for your future. Trying to find the best way to throw him to the floor wothout either bruising or hurting him.

That is the best one I have studied thus far.

[Stunted Wookie]

Oh you you used Patrick M. for refrence...ok then; nuff said.

Karate - a changing of Tode (pronounced Tod tee) from Chinese Hand to Empty hand.

[rok_the-boat]

[quote="Yaya"]Actually, Korean martial arts are as old as Korea itself. Any country that has been invaded as much as Korea has does ...

Hapkido's origins are in dispute, particularly over who founded it. Choi Yong-suhl is credited as the founder but Ji Han-jae, the guy Bruce Lee fought in Game of Death, is also laying claim. I have a hyung who swears hapkido is indigenous to Korea and well, I just leave it alone. I also hear that hapkido, NOT taekwondo, originally had the flashy kicks taekwondo is known for.
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The difference between Japan and Korea is that in Japan, the Samurai were the elite; in Korea, in Joseon military duty was despised. 99% of modern Kroean arts have all been created post WWII.

Ji Han-jae made the name, Hapkido, apparently against Choi Yong-sul's advice as he knew that Aikido - an art with the same charracters - existed elsewhere. But he did not create it - he was Choi's student. Hence as I said, some have tried to omit Choi from HKD history. The Korean 'urge' is to be #1, nothing less. Everyone wants to be company president / director / founder, or whatever. Glory is everything here.

[tsgarp]

Hwarang-do - Shilla dynasty era MA. Mixture of kicking and punching with grappling and ground submission. Also teaches pressure points and nerve strikes. Combines with acupuncture and other healing arts. One of the first MMA's.

[rok_the-boat]

[prairieboy]