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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| That was in 2008 and probably before the economic crisis hit full force. |
Some industries are more recession proof than others, though. Public education would be one, as schooling is compulsory. Maybe the bad recession will have parents pulling their children out of private school and sending them to a public school instead, who knows. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| That was in 2008 and probably before the economic crisis hit full force. |
Some industries are more recession proof than others, though. Public education would be one, as schooling is compulsory. Maybe the bad recession will have parents pulling their children out of private school and sending them to a public school instead, who knows. |
Don't be obtuse. At least in the US, the economic crisis has led to funding cuts which in turn has resulted in teachers either being laid off or taking pay cuts. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Good luck getting a job back in Canada. |
The top ten workers most in-demand by country are:
Canada
1. Skilled Manual Trades (primarily carpenters/jointers, welders or electricians)
2. Sales Representatives
3. Engineers
4. Accounting & Finance Staff
5. Labourers
6. Nurses
7. Teachers
8. Drivers
9. Machinists/Machine Operators
10. Secretaries, PAs, Administrative Assistants & Office Support Staff
http://www.byebyeblighty.com/1/2008-in-demand-jobs-revealed/ |
Two things: that site isn't really credible and second, before 2008, the job market was somewhat different.
Teachers are definitely not in the top 10. I have 10 years experience and I am a certified teacher and I couldn't get interviews simply because school boards were closing the doors to anyone not already on their lists.
I already stated above that a recent report cites 500,000 less students over the next 10 years. That is A LOT of teaching jobs that will be vanishing. In the city where I did my B.Ed, they laid off 300 teachers in 2009 due to declining enrollments. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know about those stats. I know at least a dozen people in Canada in 3 different provinces (Que, Alb and Ont) who graduated teacher's college in the last couple of years and cannot find steady work. Maybe an interview every few months, but usually just for temp work. It doesn't look too good out there right now. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Not only will the number of kids decrease due to this economic downturn of the 2000's, class sizes are going into the 40+ range due to budget cutbacks forcing the lay off of thousands of American teachers this year alone. State governments are broke and Uncle Sam himself may state a case of dire straights at some point. I do expect boatloads of American teachers to be applying for EPIK this Fall. As for meegook land, it's not looking good in the 2000's. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| I don't know about those stats. I know at least a dozen people in Canada in 3 different provinces (Que, Alb and Ont) who graduated teacher's college in the last couple of years and cannot find steady work. Maybe an interview every few months, but usually just for temp work. It doesn't look too good out there right now. |
Almost all of the teachers at my ESL school in Vancouver were temp workers who wanted desperately to get into public school teaching, since that was what their education was in. One girl even had a master's in education but she still found it impossible to get hired. Vancouver is full to the brim apparently. Outside of Vancouver I've heard it is more possible, but hey, if you want to live in Prince George, be my guest. I shudder at the mere thought. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Demographics in Canada are killing the teaching market. I know of a lot of people waiting to get jobs, but in Nova Scotia, at least, the boards are looking to phase out staff. And, each year BEd programs send a new batch into the market. The only people getting horny are those involved in the ESL business and who are getting off on anticipating dropping salaries and increasingly qualified candidates.
I decided to get out of Korea to get out of teaching. I'm trying to get into law school. I think health care would be a good bet as well, but I can't handle that. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| marlow wrote: |
| The only people getting horny are those involved in the ESL business and who are getting off on anticipating dropping salaries and increasingly qualified candidates. |
You Canadians sure have some bizarre slang...  [/b] |
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Depths of My Soul
Joined: 04 Apr 2010
Location: In The Sun
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Welsh Canadian
Joined: 03 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| If you want to be a teacher in Canada, the next 5 years is the time to do it. With the emergence of All-day kindergarten many positions will become available. That is all. |
Not so. Only about 17 new teaching positions opened this year. They say they will open up more positions but the reality is that they just increased the amount of students allowed in a class. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| I already stated above that a recent report cites 500,000 less students over the next 10 years. That is A LOT of teaching jobs that will be vanishing. |
What report? I don't see a link.
Guess what country has the world's lowest birthrate? South Korea. Do you not agree that the job market is getting worse here as well?
The OP said that with the exchange rate, money to be made here is getting worse. And he is right. Especially when taking inflation into account.
According to the 2010 census, the average salary for an American college graduate with a bachelor's degree only was $58,613. That's 70 million Won. Add in the benefits package, and we're talking the equivalent of well over 7 million a month. How is 2 million a month better savings potential than 7 million a month? Explain that. It is because of the "low cost of living" here?
Which sounds more reasonable?
| air76 wrote: |
most all of my friends back in the US make (and save) a lot more money than I do here...and I'm doing OK here salary wise.
If you're willing to work hard and put in your time, there are still far greater opportunities in North America than there are for you here in Korea. I am not saying that this life is for everyone (the North American one I mean), but people act as though North America has just gone to the shitter completely, and this is not an accurate depiction of reality. A slight lull in the strongest economy in the world is hardly a sign that there are no more jobs and no more opportunities there for the rest of eternity. |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| As for the 90% employment rate you state back home, there is NO WAY those stats show people who are in their chosen field, or areas of expertise. Many of those jobs are people working at BUrger King to pay their rent |
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| how about MA or PHDs working at Starbucks or BK? |
Are MAs and PhDs really working at Burger King? If so, how the are average salaries back home in the United States still so high? |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| There is absolutely no way that teachers make the top ten list. I think what a lot survey or stats don't take into account is that many teachers who are in demand are primarly math and science teachers. At least that is the way it is here in Ontario. I think the same could be said for most of Canada as well. |
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Welsh Canadian
Joined: 03 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| brento1138 wrote: |
| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| I don't know about those stats. I know at least a dozen people in Canada in 3 different provinces (Que, Alb and Ont) who graduated teacher's college in the last couple of years and cannot find steady work. Maybe an interview every few months, but usually just for temp work. It doesn't look too good out there right now. |
Almost all of the teachers at my ESL school in Vancouver were temp workers who wanted desperately to get into public school teaching, since that was what their education was in. One girl even had a master's in education but she still found it impossible to get hired. Vancouver is full to the brim apparently. Outside of Vancouver I've heard it is more possible, but hey, if you want to live in Prince George, be my guest. I shudder at the mere thought. |
Having a masters means nothing. Just means you get put in a higher pay scale. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Sody wrote: |
| I think what a lot survey or stats don't take into account is that many teachers who are in demand are primarly math and science teachers. At least that is the way it is here in Ontario. I think the same could be said for most of Canada as well. |
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| ESL jobs are often in high demand during times when states and school districts are slashing funds for other programs, subjects, and academic departments. Due largely to the consistent influx of immigrants from all corners of the globe, those entering the teaching field may find employment as an ESL (English as a second language) instructor easier to come by than other types of teaching jobs. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Teachers are definitely not in the top 10. I have 10 years experience and I am a certified teacher and I couldn't get interviews simply because school boards were closing the doors to anyone not already on their lists.
I already stated above that a recent report cites 500,000 less students over the next 10 years. That is A LOT of teaching jobs that will be vanishing. In the city where I did my B.Ed, they laid off 300 teachers in 2009 due to declining enrollments. |
Demographics strongly support Mr. Pink's statements. It doesn't get much clearer.
Seniors could outnumber children within years
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| The number of people in Canada at least 65 years old could outnumber children under 15 for the first time within five years, Statistics Canada said Wednesday. |
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