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The Rules - Ellen Fein - Relationships
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Ladies Only: Have you read "the Rules" and do you apply them with men you see?
Never read the book
86%
 86%  [ 13 ]
Read the book but never apply "the Rules"
13%
 13%  [ 2 ]
Read the book and sometimes apply "the Rules"
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Read the book and often apply "the Rules"
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 15

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John Connor



Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Location: The year 2020

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: The Rules - Ellen Fein - Relationships Reply with quote

OK. Ladies be honest here. It was brought to my attention via a conversation between Charlotte and Samantha that many women use the above book as a guide to how to act and behave in relationships and dating.

I've met a few women who definitely seem to be "busy" and "elusive" Unfortunately, if this was an attempt to subtley convince me they are popular, hard to get and something special, it didn't really sway me into action. They didn't exactly inspire me, capture my attention and I couldn't be bothered pursuing them.

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mulligc3



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok.
I've never read it but 2 girls I know lived it and swore by it. They are both married now.
Some of it is common sense and I agree with (like 1 and 2 maybe) and I'd do anyway but some of it I find stupid. It worked for them though!!
1)Don't accept a date after Wednesday for the coming weekend even if you are free. (could have been Tues)
2)Never call him first at the beginning.
3)Never live with a guy before marrying if you want to get married.

Basically have your own life, don't revolve it around him and let him chase you.I don't know any more though.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How old was that episode of SATC? I haven't heard anyone even mention the book in at least a decade.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question

What in the 9 Hells is afoot here? Shocked
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Rules was a self help book that came out in the mid nineties. It told women they could capture Mr. Right by behaving like it was 1953 and playing all sorts of mind games to make the poor lad prove his good intentions.

It came under fire because all of the advice was based upon the two author's personal experiences, and then the media got wind that one of the authors was in the midst of a messy divorce.

I assume that the OP heard about the rules via a conversation on Sex and the City, because of the "conversation between Charlotte and Samantha", as though every chick would know exactly who and what he meant.

On a sidenote- where's box o' chocs these days? I'm sure she'd take an even dimmer view of the book than I do.
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.38 Special



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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
The Rules was a self help book that came out in the mid nineties. It told women they could capture Mr. Right by behaving like it was 1953 and playing all sorts of mind games to make the poor lad prove his good intentions.

[...]

On a sidenote- where's box o' chocs these days? I'm sure she'd take an even dimmer view of the book than I do.


I dunno where Boxie has been. She was my Dave's pal a few months back. I hope she didn't get the axe like I'm No Picasso Crying or Very sad

Anyway, thanks for the explanation.
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kabrams



Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.38 Special wrote:
peppermint wrote:
The Rules was a self help book that came out in the mid nineties. It told women they could capture Mr. Right by behaving like it was 1953 and playing all sorts of mind games to make the poor lad prove his good intentions.

[...]

On a sidenote- where's box o' chocs these days? I'm sure she'd take an even dimmer view of the book than I do.


I dunno where Boxie has been. She was my Dave's pal a few months back. I hope she didn't get the axe like I'm No Picasso Crying or Very sad

Anyway, thanks for the explanation.


Wait, what? Shocked
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John Connor



Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Location: The year 2020

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it was a conversation between Charlotte (a rules girl) and Samantha (anything but) during Sex and the City season 2 I think.

I am a man, so of course I think it's pretty silly. But it is interesting to note that the author DID get a divorce after the book became a bestseller. And to be fair, I have seen a photo of her. A cool, good looking, real man would have more to choose from than just the illusive woman she pretends you should be.

That said, I know what book I am getting my single male friends for Chistmas this year. haha
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Kaypea



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe people are talking about "The Rules". That book was great fun. It was so popular at the time that I think there was even a rules for gay people written (or am I having fake memories)?

I guess the message is kind of like "He's Just Not that Into You". Don't chase men. The appeal of the rules, though, was that it was such a blatent throw-back to sexist times that everybody had to read it, just to see how outrageously dated it was. (That explains why almost everybody bought it, and not just some people). The fact that it was the book about not phoning men made everybody want to read it....

I remember at the time (mid 1990's) it was also hip to email those 1950's home ec advice lists to people to cluck in amazement at stuff like, "Don't bore your husband by telling him about your day." Ah, the early days of email...
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PenName



Joined: 27 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok... "ladies".



These rules are the exact reason I'll NEVER marry a typical North American woman. Falsity and deceitfulness are deal killers for most men who aren't controlled by lust.

Oh, and men HATE the type of woman portrayed in Sex and the City, FYI.


Good luck! Tick tock.
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Janny



Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: all over the place

PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marriage... Rolling Eyes

Most days I thank God I'm living in times where it's OK for a woman not to marry.
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jhuntingtonus



Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

During my time on the prowl in the US (late 1990s and some later), The Rules was well known. It was fairly easy to pick out its adherents - they were strangely unresponsive, passive, and even apathetic, though they didn't just walk away.

The largest problems with the philosophy are a) men very seldom fall in love immediately with women they meet, so if women underplay their interest in them, the man may just walk off to find someone who (seemingly) likes them more; b) even the kind of men these women are looking for (someone who will marry them) aren't always super-persistent; c) having to pursue, pursue, pursue someone to be an equal partner is the worst, not the best, part of the romantic for many men; and d) there are countermeasures, such as dating other women on the many nights the Rules girl is (artificially) unavailable.

In summary, men actively looking for women, whether for wives, girlfriends, or overnight flings, learn quickly that attractive ones who have insufficient interest in them are a dime a dozen. So when women are overly cool, even after a date or two, it's too hard to try to thaw them and too easy to move on to the next. And there are plenty of single women out there.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mulligc3 wrote:
Ok.
I've never read it but 2 girls I know lived it and swore by it. They are both married now.
Some of it is common sense and I agree with (like 1 and 2 maybe) and I'd do anyway but some of it I find stupid. It worked for them though!!
1)Don't accept a date after Wednesday for the coming weekend even if you are free. (could have been Tues)
2)Never call him first at the beginning.
3)Never live with a guy before marrying if you want to get married.

Basically have your own life, don't revolve it around him and let him chase you.I don't know any more though.


I haven't read it but I'm pretty sure the problem with The Rules was that you didn't have to have your own life, just PRETEND that you did.

Hmm, it seems like The Rules ladies read He's Just Not That Into You and updated their book accordingly.

Quote:

Don't waste time on a fantasy relationship. You may have a good rapport with your doctor, lawyer or accountant, and you may find yourself wondering if he is interested in you romantically. How can you know for sure? If he's never asked you out, then He's Just Not That Into You!

http://www.therulesbook.com/rule3.html


Rolling Eyes

Edit: lol they read The Game too. http://www.therulesbook.com/rule8.html
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MattAwesome



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ABC's Smile
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John Connor



Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhuntingtonus wrote:


The largest problems with the philosophy are a) men very seldom fall in love immediately with women they meet, so if women underplay their interest in them, the man may just walk off to find someone who (seemingly) likes them more; b) even the kind of men these women are looking for (someone who will marry them) aren't always super-persistent; c) having to pursue, pursue, pursue someone to be an equal partner is the worst, not the best, part of the romantic for many men; and d) there are countermeasures, such as dating other women on the many nights the Rules girl is (artificially) unavailable.

In summary, men actively looking for women, whether for wives, girlfriends, or overnight flings, learn quickly that attractive ones who have insufficient interest in them are a dime a dozen. So when women are overly cool, even after a date or two, it's too hard to try to thaw them and too easy to move on to the next. And there are plenty of single women out there.


Spot on mate. Men of quality, don't need to pursue that much. They have plenty of options anyway. So unless the women is someone like Jessica Alba, forget about it. He can focus on others.
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