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TheUrbanMyth
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| visitorq wrote: |
][ However, given that Mexican police routinely massacre their own citizens, and that Mexico at large is rife with anti-Americanism (partly evident in the fact that hundreds of American tourists have been killed in recent years), it's not hard to put two and two together.
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Any sites to back up this claim that hundreds of American tourists have been killed in Mexico in recent years and this was caused by anti-Americanism?
Citizens yes, but a number of these people were involved with the drug gangs in some fashion...which is hardly typical tourist behavior.
In fact out of the 200 or so American citizens killed since 2004 only about 70 were confirmed to have legitimate business there as a tourist or visiting family/working there.
And for all we know a good many of these murders were not caused by anti-Americanism but as a result of a robbery. In other words for all you or I know, being a rich foreign tourist in the wrong place at the wrong time had more to do with it than any other factor. Somehow I really doubt they checked the passport of their victims first before killing them. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| The students are over-sensitive, and the school administration is simply pandering. |
(Bold mine)
Is this the word that you really wanted to use? |
Nothing wrong with his use of the word in that sense. It merely means "cater to the lower tastes and desires of others or exploit their weaknesses." |
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atomicdeathmonkey
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Unless any of you are native Indians you're all immigrants anyways, a lot of Americans seem to forget this 
If the kids wore the American shirts to stick it to the Mexicans - they are douchebags for belittling another country's culture
and I might add ye should all be ashamed of scumbags like that who use the flag in that manner - it's disgraceful and if that's a reflection on how the American flag is to be used - i.e. screw you and your kind then i can really see the problem ! |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| atomicdeathmonkey wrote: |
| Even if any of you are native Indians you're all immigrants anyways, which continues to have absolutely no relevance to the situation at hand, a lot of idiots seem to forget this |
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| If the kids wore the American shirts to stick it to the Mexicans - they are douchebags for belittling another country's culture |
True. These kids were most likely just doing this to be typical high school jackasses. But that doesn't change the fact that they should never have been singled out for the display of a flag, especially the flag of the country in which they attend school. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| atomicdeathmonkey wrote: |
Unless any of you are native Indians you're all immigrants anyways, a lot of Americans seem to forget this
If the kids wore the American shirts to stick it to the Mexicans - they are douchebags for belittling another country's culture
and I might add ye should all be ashamed of scumbags like that who use the flag in that manner - it's disgraceful and if that's a reflection on how the American flag is to be used - i.e. screw you and your kind then i can really see the problem ! |
Some of the students wearing the American flag, were Mexican Americans. Anyways, why are you calling kids scumbags? Maybe, you should take a closer look in the mirror before you start calling people names. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| atomicdeathmonkey wrote: |
| Unless any of you are native Indians you're all immigrants anyways, a lot of Americans seem to forget this |
No one born on American soil to American citizens is an immigrant. Perhaps descended from immigrants, but so are Native Americans.
| atomicdeathmonkey wrote: |
| If the kids wore the American shirts to stick it to the Mexicans - they are douchebags for belittling another country's culture |
Wearing the American flag does not belittle another country's culture.
| atomicdeathmonkey wrote: |
| and I might add ye should all be ashamed of scumbags like that who use the flag in that manner |
I'm ashamed of anyone who claims to be a citizen of the United States and is none the less offended by someone wearing the American flag on their shirt, regardless of what holiday might be occuring at the time. Such individuals make American look incredibly foolish. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
The students are over-sensitive, and the school administration is simply pandering. |
(Bold mine)
Is this the word that you really wanted to use? |
Nothing wrong with his use of the word in that sense. It merely means "cater to the lower tastes and desires of others or exploit their weaknesses." |
Nothing wrong with the sense of the word, but to use it in that sense with correct grammar then surely one would have to 'pander to' something, e.g. 'the school administration is simply pandering to the students.' Without the 'to' and a noun, the school is simply procuring sexual favours. |
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atomicdeathmonkey
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So proud of your own culture it's hilarious - seriously get over yourselves !
your largely a nation of immigrants or descended from full stop ! the they took our jobs crap is old ! your country is the poster boy for multicultural immigrants living in relative success ~!
The misuse of the flag for example, I'm Irish - if I see an Irish flag in an bar with a little collection tin with Tiocfaidh �r l� written anywhere near it - I'd lose the plot. How dare someone use my country's flag as a starting point for dumping on another country in any way shape or form. This goes regardless of previous history in my book !
Anything used in this regard to instigate hatred of another culture needs to be challenged
this is where your national pride needs a checking imho and the delusion needs to stop - they were kids abusing something important - 1 another nations culture and 2 you flag - symbol of what ye actually stand for !
scumbags - yes, absolutely if they did it to mock or get int he face of another persons heritage it's scumbagish behavior the fact that a kid was doing it doesn't excuse it - enough with the doesn't know any better crap - they knew what they were doing ! but thanks for the mirror comments - i look grand pet !
hell it's ok for an immigrant to be ignorant of a host country's culture but the major problem I'd have is with the protagonists - they have no respect for what you are all so intent on maintaining - i.e. national pride
it's a nice little paradox |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| atomicdeathmonkey wrote: |
| So proud of your own culture it's hilarious - seriously get over yourselves ! |
I'm not particularly proud of my culture. I would say the exact same thing regarding any country. In fact, I'll say it right now: any citizen of any country would be a complete fool to be offended by their country's flag being worn in their country. Maybe if you weren't so busy trying to make an anti-American point, you'd realize that.
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| your largely a nation of immigrants or descended from full stop ! the they took our jobs crap is old ! your country is the poster boy for multicultural immigrants living in relative success ~! |
Almost every country in the world is descended from immigrants if you go far enough back. Being descended from immigrants is totally meaningless. Only fools trying to make irrational points keep bringing it up.
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| The misuse of the flag for example, I'm Irish - if I see an Irish flag in an bar with a little collection tin with Tiocfaidh �r l� written anywhere near it - I'd lose the plot. How dare someone use my country's flag as a starting point for dumping on another country in any way shape or form. This goes regardless of previous history in my book ! |
That just makes you irrational. Don't expect said irrationality to lend weight to your opinion.
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| Anything used in this regard to instigate hatred of another culture needs to be challenged |
Wearing the American flag doesn't instigate hatred of another culture. Anyone who thinks it does is irrational.
I'm sorry, but I don't have anything more to say to you on this topic. Your case is totally incoherent, and as such, it's simply not worth discussing further. Rage against America all you like. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| atomicdeathmonkey wrote: |
| If the kids wore the American shirts to stick it to the Mexicans - they are douchebags for belittling another country's culture |
Wearing the American flag does not belittle another country's culture. |
Especially when it's in the US!
I'm not usually a big fan of American patriotism, but in this case, I have to back up the flag-wearers. They are in their own country wearing their own nation's flag. If some other kids want to celebrate another country's holiday - have at it, but realize which country you are in. |
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atomicdeathmonkey
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thank you all seeing fox - sorry i mistook you being cocksure for patriotism
your candor is a bit off though no or are you just like that in normal life - i.e. a pain !
I'm far from anti American tbh but paint anything as a questioning of yourselves as non-constructive that's cool I guess
try being a bit less of the keyboard warrior with your thinly veiled insults and actually make a point of your own instead of the quick snap crap  |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 3:47 am Post subject: |
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So proud of your own culture it's hilarious - seriously get over yourselves !
your largely a nation of immigrants or descended from full stop ! the they took our jobs crap is old ! your country is the poster boy for multicultural immigrants living in relative success ~!
The misuse of the flag for example, I'm Irish - if I see an Irish flag in an bar with a little collection tin with Tiocfaidh �r l� written anywhere near it - I'd lose the plot. How dare someone use my country's flag as a starting point for dumping on another country in any way shape or form. This goes regardless of previous history in my book !
Anything used in this regard to instigate hatred of another culture needs to be challenged
this is where your national pride needs a checking imho and the delusion needs to stop - they were kids abusing something important - 1 another nations culture and 2 you flag - symbol of what ye actually stand for !
scumbags - yes, absolutely if they did it to mock or get int he face of another persons heritage it's scumbagish behavior the fact that a kid was doing it doesn't excuse it - enough with the doesn't know any better crap - they knew what they were doing ! but thanks for the mirror comments - i look grand pet !
hell it's ok for an immigrant to be ignorant of a host country's culture but the major problem I'd have is with the protagonists - they have no respect for what you are all so intent on maintaining - i.e. national pride
it's a nice little paradox |
Are you on psychotropic drugs by any chance? |
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atomicdeathmonkey
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yeah why not!
I guess I'll have to change my stance to yay go flags for everyone !
Being honest tongue has been firmly in cheek - a concept some overly serious might find irrational I guess |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| try being a bit less of the keyboard warrior with your thinly veiled insults and actually make a point of your own instead of the quick snap crap |
Pot kettle black. |
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atomicdeathmonkey
Joined: 09 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:53 am Post subject: |
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meh, I rose to it it's that damn irrationality I suppose
Edit: Enough with the jovial crap! I find that type of candor cockish to be honest - I'd hate to have that person as a teacher - way to impart the knowledge there !
as bad as i am for rising to it at least my default mood ain't that !
if you didn't like what i said fair enough , say it, counter it but try not to be an outright phallus about it and actually give something to the discussion rather than a rhetoric opinion
it's one thing i hate about forums, you get moods/attitudes that can only exist in the internet - if it were the real world you'd be checked for it or you'd have nobody around you
I obviously pissed off someone important or a little clique - or hell maybe I was being anti American - what the hell is wrong with a bit of anti any country anyways ? I thought it was the naysayers that were the patriotic ones! |
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