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Reaction to the sinking of the Cheonan?
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catman



Joined: 18 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reaction to the sinking of the Cheonan? Reply with quote

I'm not in SK right now so I'm wondering how the populace seems to be reacting to the latesting happenings with the North?

Have students been talking about it at all?
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1/10000000000000th of the outrage against US beef a couple years back.
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SpiralStaircase



Joined: 14 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
1/10000000000000th of the outrage against US beef a couple years back.


Food for thought.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mild reaction from the general public could be because it was a military vessel that was sunk. Without trying to sound callous to the fellas that died, they do sign up for that kind of risk.
If it was a boatload of grandmothers and kids, then I think people would be much more outraged.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
The mild reaction from the general public could be because it was a military vessel that was sunk. Without trying to sound callous to the fellas that died, they do sign up for that kind of risk.
If it was a boatload of grandmothers and kids, then I think people would be much more outraged.


Do they sign on or get conscripted?
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
The mild reaction from the general public could be because it was a military vessel that was sunk. Without trying to sound callous to the fellas that died, they do sign up for that kind of risk.


Many of them didn't sign up for that kind of risk, they were required by law to join. And that requirement is due to North Korea's insistance on maintaining a huge military at the expense of every other aspect of its nation.

Some of these guys may well have just been out of high school; I know at least one individual was (Private Jang Chul-hee, 19).
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, some of those guys were young lads serving their mandatory stints. However, the fact it was a military vessel makes it (slightly) less terrible. Anyway, I'm glad that there's no massive public outcry, because when Koreans get emotional they sometimes do silly things.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Anyway, I'm glad that there's no massive public outcry, because when Koreans get emotional they sometimes do silly things.


No outcry? Check out the papers, the politicians are also using this as an opportunity to shore up their positions or blast the government.

Maybe you meant public demonstrations? Of course not, it's not like they can have massive rallies to kick out North Koreans out of their own country.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It me its only the politicians and the media stirring thigns up.

None of the teachers at my school, nor my sstudents have said a peep about it. Usually there would be some outburst like, "teacher! American beef kill you!" or "Teacher! Myungbak Lee is a bad man!"

So far, nothing. In fact, I recently did an assignment to bring a news article to class. Not a single person brought a Cheonan article.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
It me its only the politicians and the media stirring thigns up.

None of the teachers at my school, nor my sstudents have said a peep about it. Usually there would be some outburst like, "teacher! American beef kill you!" or "Teacher! Myungbak Lee is a bad man!"

So far, nothing. In fact, I recently did an assignment to bring a news article to class. Not a single person brought a Cheonan article.


Well be glad they haven't said anything. If they did, it would be "USA divided our country"
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Politically, I think there are actions behind the scenes and that the government is taking the Cheonan sinking seriously. The issue is being well covered by media.

On the street, well, crickets. My students don't talk about it or write about it. No demonstrations, no rallies, no candlelight vigils, and this in a country which has a protest if someone farts in the wrong pitch.

Perhaps Koreans do talk about these things and have a whole world of chat we don't know about on Dave's. Who knows what ajoshis really talk about over beer. But on my campus there's nary a peep. What does it take?


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geldedgoat



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The (lack of) reaction here is really perplexing. I had a short discussion* with my Korean girlfriend about it shortly after the initial attack, and she said South Korea shouldn't do anything about it because it might start a war. I was unable to explain to her that another country attacking a South Korean military vessel in South Korean territory is already an act of war. Maybe if the North Korean torpedo had been strapped with an AIDS-infected NET and some U.S. beef we'd see some outrage.

*I say 'short discussion' because any time I try to explain an opinion I have about South Korea, no matter what it pertains to nor the manner in which it is explained, the discussion ends very quickly and is replaced by purely emotional nationalistic fit. Anyone else have this experience?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:
The (lack of) reaction here is really perplexing. I had a short discussion* with my Korean girlfriend about it shortly after the initial attack, and she said South Korea shouldn't do anything about it because it might start a war.


To be honest, I don't find it particularly perplexing. In my experience, Koreans aren't actually emotional, out of control people, they're just very group minded and very easy to rile up using those group sympathies. They aren't outraged about this because no one in power has whipped them into a frenzy (and why would they unless they actually intended to respond with force?).

If the government actually wanted to take military action against North Korea, they would have very quickly and easy incited the public, and then gone ahead with it.

geldedgoat wrote:
*I say 'short discussion' because any time I try to explain an opinion I have about South Korea, no matter what it pertains to nor the manner in which it is explained, the discussion ends very quickly and is replaced by purely emotional nationalistic fit. Anyone else have this experience?


Mine usually tries to defend Korea, but quickly ends up at a loss and admits that I'm right, followed by sporatic complaints over the following hour or so that, "You say too well, it not fair."
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:
I was unable to explain to her that another country attacking a South Korean military vessel in South Korean territory is already an act of war.


That's where you went wrong. The issue of NK and SK being two separate countries is a very emotional one. To many Koreans, especially the older they are, a unified Korea in the future is a must. To the kids now, they really don't care and just worry about their score in WOW. Being a foreigner bringing it up will not make you many friends in Korea.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach in a university program specializing in International Business and Relations. These are students who have about as globalized outlook as you're going to find in Korea, and even there I rarely get the idea that they conceive of themselves as part of a global community. It's still the binary that the world is made up of we Koreans and everyone else, and that globalization is really only the economic concept of marketing Korea outward. I try to crowbar people beyond that mindset, but am realistic about changing things.

And so what the North Koreans do is a family matter, and other countries are, well, not family. Whatever they do, they are we Koreans; and others are foreigners. Yes, young people don't have that sensibility so much, but they are socialized into this way of thinking, and it is deep in the culture. I do not know what can shake it beyond actual bombs falling, and even then this mindset may still remain.


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