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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not explaining the island is more than just a plot hole. It is unforgivable. For 6 seasons, the island was, in a way, the main character. Every main character was obsessed with it. Some with protecting it, some staying there due to its healing powers, some with escaping it, some with getting back to it, some with studying its unique properties, etc. The audience is also focused on the island and its history, its powers. Who was Jacob's adoptive mom and where did she come from? Why does the island have an inner light and why did the big plug down there look man-made? Why does it heal some people and not others? How the heck did Jacob's lighthouse work? Why are dead people able to appear to Hurley and eventually to Jack and James too? How is that that the adoptive mom can just make up rules that stick? What kept smokey the human from leaving the island?
But at the end, we are basically supposed to let all the those questions go because after all, it doesn't matter where you are (even if the place has magical, unexplainable qualities and powerful beings engaged in a mighty battle) and it doesn't matter when you are, all that matters is the love you've shared and the connections you've made with other people...and then getting back together with them in the afterlife.

And so it is with Lost. Don't be obsessed with trying to understand it. All those unexplained qualities/characters are meaningless. What matters is all the bonds you've formed with other while watching Lost together and complaining about its terrible finale.
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kinerry



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flakfizer wrote:
Not explaining the island is more than just a plot hole. It is unforgivable. For 6 seasons, the island was, in a way, the main character. Every main character was obsessed with it. Some with protecting it, some staying there due to its healing powers, some with escaping it, some with getting back to it, some with studying its unique properties, etc. The audience is also focused on the island and its history, its powers. Who was Jacob's adoptive mom and where did she come from? Why does the island have an inner light and why did the big plug down there look man-made? Why does it heal some people and not others? How the heck did Jacob's lighthouse work? Why are dead people able to appear to Hurley and eventually to Jack and James too? How is that that the adoptive mom can just make up rules that stick? What kept smokey the human from leaving the island?
But at the end, we are basically supposed to let all the those questions go because after all, it doesn't matter where you are (even if the place has magical, unexplainable qualities and powerful beings engaged in a mighty battle) and it doesn't matter when you are, all that matters is the love you've shared and the connections you've made with other people...and then getting back together with them in the afterlife.

And so it is with Lost. Don't be obsessed with trying to understand it. All those unexplained qualities/characters are meaningless. What matters is all the bonds you've formed with other while watching Lost together and complaining about its terrible finale.


Explain how magic works
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seoulsucker



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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To those hung up on how the island wasn't "explained" can you give me an example of an answer with which you'd be satisfied? Aliens? God?

I kind of view the island as a battleground...a sort of 38th parallel where the eternal struggle between light and dark came to a head. Or to put it more simply, the backgammon board that Locke showed Walt in episode two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn-g8OmkEIE

And as for the question about Walt...they pretty much wrapped his character up with this...albeit they disappointingly didn't delve into his power to communicate with/attract animals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HM8PBbXUYM&feature=related
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AsiaESLbound



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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seemed like the island happenings was simply an experiment conducted by this Dharma Initiative during the 1970's and then it become something that was there since ancient times in like s06e15. That alone was interesting explanation, but left lots to wonder. It was interesting how they tied the characters being home to being on the island where they remembered each other when home. Seems to be the home reality where the flight never crashed is them being dead, because they tied up the series of them all in the being home reality meeting in the funeral home to learn they are all dead in that realm. They all died even though we seen a plane leave. Well eventually the survivors died of old age or illness.
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Bibbitybop



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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kinerry wrote:
flakfizer wrote:
Not explaining the island is more than just a plot hole. It is unforgivable. For 6 seasons, the island was, in a way, the main character. Every main character was obsessed with it. Some with protecting it, some staying there due to its healing powers, some with escaping it, some with getting back to it, some with studying its unique properties, etc. The audience is also focused on the island and its history, its powers. Who was Jacob's adoptive mom and where did she come from? Why does the island have an inner light and why did the big plug down there look man-made? Why does it heal some people and not others? How the heck did Jacob's lighthouse work? Why are dead people able to appear to Hurley and eventually to Jack and James too? How is that that the adoptive mom can just make up rules that stick? What kept smokey the human from leaving the island?
But at the end, we are basically supposed to let all the those questions go because after all, it doesn't matter where you are (even if the place has magical, unexplainable qualities and powerful beings engaged in a mighty battle) and it doesn't matter when you are, all that matters is the love you've shared and the connections you've made with other people...and then getting back together with them in the afterlife.

And so it is with Lost. Don't be obsessed with trying to understand it. All those unexplained qualities/characters are meaningless. What matters is all the bonds you've formed with other while watching Lost together and complaining about its terrible finale.


Explain how magic works


A show that spent 6 years slowly revealing thing about magic would be able to answer questions about it.

Or, you can look here: http://tv.nytimes.com/show/196239/Magic-s-Biggest-Secrets-Revealed/overview
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mack the knife



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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the end of the show it had become nothing more than a televised rorschach test, with each viewer projecting his or her own insecurities, prejudices, hopes, doubts, religious/political views,etc. onto everything that happened on screen, with the events/plot having little or no meaning in and of themselves. YOU were the story. That's why it made such great TV. David Lynch did it with "Twin Peaks." If you haven't seen that series download it NOW. You are in for a treat!

They could have told the ENTIRE "Lost" saga in ONE episode.
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chellovek



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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
kinerry wrote:
flakfizer wrote:
Not explaining the island is more than just a plot hole. It is unforgivable. For 6 seasons, the island was, in a way, the main character. Every main character was obsessed with it. Some with protecting it, some staying there due to its healing powers, some with escaping it, some with getting back to it, some with studying its unique properties, etc. The audience is also focused on the island and its history, its powers. Who was Jacob's adoptive mom and where did she come from? Why does the island have an inner light and why did the big plug down there look man-made? Why does it heal some people and not others? How the heck did Jacob's lighthouse work? Why are dead people able to appear to Hurley and eventually to Jack and James too? How is that that the adoptive mom can just make up rules that stick? What kept smokey the human from leaving the island?
But at the end, we are basically supposed to let all the those questions go because after all, it doesn't matter where you are (even if the place has magical, unexplainable qualities and powerful beings engaged in a mighty battle) and it doesn't matter when you are, all that matters is the love you've shared and the connections you've made with other people...and then getting back together with them in the afterlife.

And so it is with Lost. Don't be obsessed with trying to understand it. All those unexplained qualities/characters are meaningless. What matters is all the bonds you've formed with other while watching Lost together and complaining about its terrible finale.


Explain how magic works


A show that spent 6 years slowly revealing thing about magic would be able to answer questions about it.

Or, you can look here: http://tv.nytimes.com/show/196239/Magic-s-Biggest-Secrets-Revealed/overview


Indeed that was a quality show. I saw it on one of the cable TV channels here in Korea a few Saturdays back.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mack the knife wrote:
By the end of the show it had become nothing more than a televised rorschach test, with each viewer projecting his or her own insecurities, prejudices, hopes, doubts, religious/political views,etc. onto everything that happened on screen, with the events/plot having little or no meaning in and of themselves. YOU were the story. That's why it made such great TV. David Lynch did it with "Twin Peaks." If you haven't seen that series download it NOW. You are in for a treat!

They could have told the ENTIRE "Lost" saga in ONE episode.

Bingo.
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mack the knife



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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"As this is going on, Cooper continues to try to track down the origins and whereabouts of Bob, and learns more about the mysteries of the dark woods surrounding Twin Peaks. It is here he learns of the existence of the White Lodge and the Black Lodge, two mystical, extra-dimensional realms analogous to Heaven and Hell whose gateways reside somewhere in the woods. Cooper learns that Bob, The Giant, and the Man From Another Place all come from one of the two lodges."

Any of this seem familiar? It's from Twin Peaks.
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just finished watching the last couple episodes today. The series started as a dark sci-fi mystery and ended as an overtly religious, smarmy fantasy. It was pretty much the same train wreck that was the end of Alias. It's like Abrams' brain checks out after season 2.
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Bloopity Bloop



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
I just finished watching the last couple episodes today. The series started as a dark sci-fi mystery and ended as an overtly religious, smarmy fantasy. It was pretty much the same train wreck that was the end of Alias. It's like Abrams' brain checks out after season 2.


Yeah, I pretty much hated every new character introduced starting with "the Others" (aka Season 3 onward). I kept watching to see if the show would return to Season 1 and 2 greatness and was repeatedly disappointed as new characters I didn't care about were introduced at an increasingly rapid rate. Kind of like Heroes--the only good season was the 1st, and then they started bringing in all these stupid characters and the story went kaboom. The show jumped the shark a loooooooooooooooong time ago. Glad it's finally over.
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could at least accept the finale if it was internally consistent, but what's the deal with some people escaping the island and some staying and becoming guardians when the ultimate ending is that they all died anyway? Kate, Sawyer, Lapidus, Richard and Milo escape on the plane? Hurley and Linus become the new guardians of the island? Oh, doesn't matter, they all died "sometime" anyway.

The creators spent years denying the island was purgatory and that they were all dead, they insisted there was more to it than that. The ending? They're all dead and they were in purgatory. I guess the big reveal was that the island was pre-purgatory purgatory, rather than purgatory itself. Whoopty doo!
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DM24



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thankfully i never got into it. most of my friends that watched it usually were confused and had these ridiculously abstract arguments about the show (although they may have been ridiculous because i didn't watch the show).

either way, i enjoyed this summary of the series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWECQa23Cs
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8 years down



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DM24 wrote:
thankfully i never got into it. most of my friends that watched it usually were confused and had these ridiculously abstract arguments about the show (although they may have been ridiculous because i didn't watch the show).

either way, i enjoyed this summary of the series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWECQa23Cs


The disappointing thing is, it's just a summary of season 6.
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seoulsucker



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
I guess the big reveal was that the island was pre-purgatory purgatory, rather than purgatory itself. Whoopty doo!


I don't think there's anything in the series that suggests the island is/was some form of purgatory, other that Sun saying something about it being Hell and they were there to pay for their sins. I think that was total fan projection.

To me, the big reveal was that the nuke never went off on the island, somehow splitting realities/timelines into the flash-sideways/parallel realm that many people felt the entire 6th season was.
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