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I borrow dvds from the public library and the movie studios don't make a cent from this (except from the original sale of the dvd). Not that much different from file sharing.
The studios are greedy. They make their money when their films are in the cinemas. Whatever they make in dvd sales is gravy. On top of that, they rip people off on dvd sales. They charge like $25 for a new release. Manufacturing cost is maybe 50 cents. Who's the real thief? Funny that dvd profit margins never make the news as a topic. I wonder why. |
Don't be silly. The movie studios are free to charge what ever they please.
However, I don't support their wish to have their business model protected by the govt. They have a right to prosecute people who steal their intellectual property, but I think it would be more beneficial for them to look at their own systems and business model, rather than acting belligerently towards their customers. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder how many of the 5000 even watched the movie. What's the policy on downloading a movie and not watching it? |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder how many of the 5000 even watched the movie. What's the policy on downloading a movie and not watching it? |
Of course that is still stealing, but it high lights the absurdity of prsecuting these people. |
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balzor
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| I've been downloading a lot more since I read this |
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akcrono
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Net Flix and similar services are pretty rocking, too, and quite affordable. |
Net flix doesn't work in Korea.
I love how the argument against stealing is "stealing is wrong" and not a legitimate argument about how it's wrong. Thats like "speeding is wrong". Everything is circumstantial.
Also, downloading movies is not stealing, sorry. |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:21 am Post subject: |
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This is a new tactic, clearly meant to try to earn back the billions wasted on lawsuits.
Pay up or get sued...I'd fight it. There are so many angles to fight back on this stuff, it takes more time than anything else.
The plaintiff has to prove not only that you connected and uploaded (downloading is gray area if you can prove you own a copy), they also have to prove you completed the sharing of an entire file.
They probably figured out the average cost per case and said "we tell then to settle for a little bit more than the average cost, and we are fighting them and making a profit doing it".
This is the scummiest shit I have EVER seen. |
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MattAwesome
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| i dont even know what those movies that are getting people busted are about. it would make sense that iron man 2 is itting people with lawsuits. oh wait they made enough from people seeing it in theatres to care. |
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balzor
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Net Flix and similar services are pretty rocking, too, and quite affordable. |
Net flix doesn't work in Korea.
I love how the argument against stealing is "stealing is wrong" and not a legitimate argument about how it's wrong. Thats like "speeding is wrong". Everything is circumstantial.
Also, downloading movies is not stealing, sorry. |
actually, if you run Hotspot Shield or a similar program you can run Netflix and any other US site |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:43 am Post subject: |
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I borrow dvds from the public library and the movie studios don't make a cent from this (except from the original sale of the dvd). Not that much different from file sharing.
The studios are greedy. They make their money when their films are in the cinemas. Whatever they make in dvd sales is gravy. On top of that, they rip people off on dvd sales. They charge like $25 for a new release. Manufacturing cost is maybe 50 cents. Who's the real thief? Funny that dvd profit margins never make the news as a topic. I wonder why. |
Don't be silly. The movie studios are free to charge what ever they please.
However, I don't support their wish to have their business model protected by the govt. They have a right to prosecute people who steal their intellectual property, but I think it would be more beneficial for them to look at their own systems and business model, rather than acting belligerently towards their customers. |
You're right about price.The consumer has to be wise. Dvds are no different from the $40 baseball caps that are made in China for $1.
Or the plastic adapter piece I bought in Korea for 500 won (.50 cents) to change my North American electrical plug to a Korean one. This piece sells for $7.00 in Canada ($8 with tax). Don't you love capitalism: Exploit the poor in 3 rd world countries and rob the middle class in industrialized countries.
BTW, in Canada, representatives from the movie studios do their own policing of pirate dvd sales (not the police). They go to the sellers and seize the product. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| BTW, I once spoke with some RCMP police officers (in Canada) and they told me that the law here targets uploaders, not downoaders. Downloading is fine. Uploading is a crime. |
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Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
Or the plastic adapter piece I bought in Korea for 500 won (.50 cents) to change my North American electrical plug to a Korean one. This piece sells for $7.00 in Canada ($8 with tax). Don't you love capitalism: Exploit the poor in 3 rd world countries and rob the middle class in industrialized countries.
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You are two much. In one breath you complain about a $1 tax on a 50c plug, and in the next breath criticize capitalism.
No one benefits more from capitalism than 3rd world workers. Instead of subsistence farming, or worse, they get the opportunity to work a real job and earn real money. I bet they complain about it, but what are the alternatives. We have cushy jobs, yet ESL teachers are some of the whiniest people I've ever encountered. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
Or the plastic adapter piece I bought in Korea for 500 won (.50 cents) to change my North American electrical plug to a Korean one. This piece sells for $7.00 in Canada ($8 with tax). Don't you love capitalism: Exploit the poor in 3 rd world countries and rob the middle class in industrialized countries.
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You are two much. In one breath you complain about a $1 tax on a 50c plug, and in the next breath criticize capitalism.
No one benefits more from capitalism than 3rd world workers. Instead of subsistence farming, or worse, they get the opportunity to work a real job and earn real money. I bet they complain about it, but what are the alternatives. We have cushy jobs, yet ESL teachers are some of the whiniest people I've ever encountered. |
I wasn't complaining about the tax. I was complaining about prices in industrialized countries. The huge markups amount to theft.
North American prong to South Korean prong adapter plug for electrical appliances
In South Korea cost = 50 cents (500 won)
In Canada (at The Source formerly Radio Shack)= $6.99 + tax = $8.04
Made in China for less than 50 cents (because how would Korean stores make money otherwise?) Probably less than half that price.
* A piece of advice for those considering going to Korea to teach English; buy everything you need there. You'll get fairer prices than back home. The only things you should buy at home are big size clothing and any specific products that you worry about not finding in Korea like medications or favorite Western brand products.
Regarding your claims of 3 rd world workers being better off, that's highly debatable. I think they earn subsistence wages for working long hours at sometimes dangerous jobs. Yes, I guess these breadcrumbs are better than nothing. In a better world, we would have fair trade products in every category (not just coffee and cocoa). But the system exploits these workers and the middle class tax payers in countries like the U.S. pay the price supporting laid-off U.S. factory workers through taxes (because the jobs went to China). And he gets no price break at the cash when he buys something.
Example: Master Lock made their locks in WI, U.S.A. Now made in China, a lock still costs the same price as before. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
Or the plastic adapter piece I bought in Korea for 500 won (.50 cents) to change my North American electrical plug to a Korean one. This piece sells for $7.00 in Canada ($8 with tax). Don't you love capitalism: Exploit the poor in 3 rd world countries and rob the middle class in industrialized countries.
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You are two much. In one breath you complain about a $1 tax on a 50c plug, and in the next breath criticize capitalism.
No one benefits more from capitalism than 3rd world workers. Instead of subsistence farming, or worse, they get the opportunity to work a real job and earn real money. I bet they complain about it, but what are the alternatives. We have cushy jobs, yet ESL teachers are some of the whiniest people I've ever encountered. |
I wasn't complaining about the tax. I was complaining about prices in industrialized countries. The huge markups amount to theft. |
If you don't want the item, then don't buy it.
Besides, doesn't it make sense that an item you are more likely to use in Korea would be cheaper in Korea? How many people are going to need a Canada to Korea plug adapter IN CANADA?
North American prong to South Korean prong adapter plug for electrical appliances
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Regarding your claims of 3 rd world workers being better off, that's highly debatable. I think they earn subsistence wages for working long hours at sometimes dangerous jobs. Yes, I guess these breadcrumbs are better than nothing. In a better world, we would have fair trade products in every category (not just coffee and cocoa). But the system exploits these workers and the middle class tax payers in countries like the U.S. pay the price supporting laid-off U.S. factory workers through taxes (because the jobs went to China). And he gets no price break at the cash when he buys something. |
Those workers have to start some where. They aren't going to go from subsistence farming to salary man in one generation. Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong all had sweat shops 40 years ago. It's a stop on the way to prosperity. It doesn't stay that way forever.
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| Example: Master Lock made their locks in WI, U.S.A. Now made in China, a lock still costs the same price as before. |
The cell phone I have is many thousands of times more powerful than the computer I had 5 years ago, without "fair trade". I could give a super karate monkey beach buggy about a frickn' lock. |
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noraebang
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I just don't steal because I believe theft is wrong. |
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noraebang
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder how many of the 5000 even watched the movie. What's the policy on downloading a movie and not watching it? |
Theft has to do with taking someone's property without their permission. I think whatever way you choose to use it afterward (even if your use includes letting it remain idle) is probably irrelevant.
Also, doesn't anyone find it funny that the moderators on this forum are so against a willing teacher and a willing student getting together to learn something in a private lesson, but support wholesale theft of thousands of dollars worth of films, software, etc? |
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