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Israel to Send Aid to Turkey

 
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Safron



Joined: 05 Feb 2007
Location: portland, or

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Israel to Send Aid to Turkey Reply with quote

Can someone please explain to me how this is different from Turkey sending aid to Israel?
http://tert.am/en/news/2010/06/07/response/
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Israel to Send Aid to Turkey Reply with quote

Safron wrote:
Can someone please explain to me how this is different from Turkey sending aid to Israel?
http://tert.am/en/news/2010/06/07/response/


Certainly. One was government approved and had armed individuals aboard.


The other is comprised of private individuals who are not carrying weapons.


And this is being doing as a response...not as an initial aggression.

Also they are not running a blockade.
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Israelis probably won't be shot or boarded by the Turkish military, which seems like a major difference to me.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
The Israelis probably won't be shot or boarded by the Turkish military, which seems like a major difference to me.


The Turkish military will shoot any Israeli who attacks them. But why should they? Israelis don't believe in martyring themselves.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to change your title.

After reading the article, I understood that Israeli citizens wished to send a return package.

Considering that Hamas has said it wont accept the aid that Turkey sent it, maybe they are just returning it.

Though if Israeli citizens relate as being Israel, then I guess Hamas relates as being Palestinian.

Therefore using that standard, should I be anti arab because of Hamas? Or only anti sunni?
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.38 Special



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:


Therefore using that standard, should I be anti arab because of Hamas? Or only anti sunni?


What are you getting on about? Why must you be anti-anything?
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Big_Bird



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
The Israelis probably won't be shot or boarded by the Turkish military, which seems like a major difference to me.


LOL
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incidently, I hope they are taking aid to the Kurdish population. Turks who (rightly) condemn Israel's treatment of Gazans should also have a good look closer to home. Their treatment of Kurds is appalling, and the main reason I have always opposed their entry into the EU.
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Safron



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird- You've hit on the main reason for my starting this topic. The Turks fueling the fire of anger against the Israeli's for this mistreatment of the Palestinians, seems a bit like the "pot calling the kettle black" given the history of how they've treated groups within their own country over recent and more distant history. If you know any Armenians or Kurds ask them what they think of the Turks and the genocide committed against their people in recent history. The difference between them and the Palestinians is that the Turks strategy was genocide, not collective punishment.

I think it's funny how ME governments and ME politicians are always pointing the finger and drawing attention to Israel and Palestine so as to avoid the finger being pointed in their own country. This is the nature of human politics, and even our "Modern Western Democracies" are not immune to this strategy.
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Safron wrote:
Big_Bird- You've hit on the main reason for my starting this topic. The Turks fueling the fire of anger against the Israeli's for this mistreatment of the Palestinians, seems a bit like the "pot calling the kettle black" given the history of how they've treated groups within their own country over recent and more distant history. If you know any Armenians or Kurds ask them what they think of the Turks and the genocide committed against their people in recent history. The difference between them and the Palestinians is that the Turks strategy was genocide, not collective punishment.

I think it's funny how ME governments and ME politicians are always pointing the finger and drawing attention to Israel and Palestine so as to avoid the finger being pointed in their own country. This is the nature of human politics, and even our "Modern Western Democracies" are not immune to this strategy.


The group from Turkey wasn't sent by or sponsored by Turkey. It was a private group. While Turkey's behavior towards the Kurds is horrible, as is every country with a Kurdish population, I don't believe that they were hypocritical in this situation. Having your civilians killed by another nations army is a legitimate reason to be upset, especially when you are the closet thing that that other country has to an ally in the region.
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NovaKart



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the best thing that ever happened to Erdogan. He looks like a hero for condemning Israel both before at Davos and now. Now he's got the country outraged with him. An already hyper nationalist country with a target is sure to deflect criticism from him.

As for the Kurds, people can't necessarily help what their country does, which is why, for example, it's unfair to call an American hypocritical if he/she criticizes another country's human rights. That said, how many Turks are critical of the way Turkey treats the Kurds? I know one Turk who went to prison over supporting Kurds but I know more who openly say they dislike Kurds. This is why you have campaigns on facebook against having facebook in Kurdish or death threats against someone who sings a Kurdish song on TV.
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