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[Greekfreak]

[cj1976]

Don't forget some very generous refereeing decisions throughout that tournament that helped Korea along their way. I would not be at all surprised if the refs were bribed. Koreans measure current teams against the 2002 team, but they overlook the numerous fouls that the refs conveniently missed.

[jvalmer]

[PatrickGHBusan]

So sad to be hoping a team loses so you can taunt their fans....have you nothing better to do like I don't know...actually CHEER for a team?



Concerning refereeing, ask any team in any WC and odds are they will say they got robbed by the refs at some point in the tournament.


Hint: EVERY world cup has referees making mistakes or making calls that seem odd. Refs being human they miss things too, wow now that sure is a crazy concept.

But it is far more interesting for those with axes to grind to see consiprary, bribery and favoritism when calls do not go the way they think they should have gone....

As for the neverending 2002 debate...well neverending for an obsessed few. The Italians scored first and then basically sat on their butts. They stopped pushing, stopped advancing beyond midfield. When they had scoring chances to go up 2-0 they blew them...like Vieri missing two wide open cages....Korea had pace and endurance along with speed in that WC as Hiddink had trained them hard. Italy lost because Korea never stopped trying and mainly because they played badly and stopped going for the kill.

You want odd refereeing: ask the Irish how they feel about France beating them on a Thierry Henry hand pass during qualifiers....guess what? The ref blew the call...oh my god how could that happen..it must have been Sarkozy, the French President bribbing the FIFA and the FIFA not liking Ireland...that HAS to be it.

[Greekfreak]

Tommasi did score a legitimate goal in extra time that was disallowed. The Italians were diving as much as they normally do, but I think Korea was absolutely given the benefit of a ref who wanted to see Italy lose. It wasn't an offside pass. France scored against Spain in WC 2006 on a similar play and the goal stood.

And though he was Greg Louganis throughout most of the match, there was contact made on Totti when he dove. Not enough to knock him down, but he shouldn't have received a yellow. I would have allowed play to go on.

You'll notice since then that FIFA took steps to ensure that refs whose teams lose don't ever have the chance to officiate at games in which the team that eliminated theirs has a chance of progressing. Italy dumped Equador, and who f***s them in the next round? An Ecuadorean referee.

That same ref ended his career in controversial fashion not long afterwards, so it's no big stretch to imagine the CEO of Samsung handing the guy a free Equus to "make sure things went their way". Remember Roy Jones Jr. and the '88 Olympics?

Ditto the Egyptian ref in the Spain/Korea game who was clearly bought for a pack of Lucky Strikes.

As a true football fan, I take everything at face value--in '02, Spain was definitely robbed, as were the Irish in said qualifier. In '06, Korea bitched and moaned about a play that resulted in a goal as if it would have changed the outcome, when in reality they would have had to score at least 2 goals to get through (and in that game they rarely looked threatening). The netizens wouldn't hear of it.

Italians are poor losers. So are Koreans. Deal with it.

[PatrickGHBusan]

I agree with the basis of your post greekfreak.

My point was not about sore losers however. It was simply that all WCs have bad decisions made by a ref that lead to one team feeling they got robbed.

Bad offside call, hand ball, disallowed goals and so on.

A game happens at full speed and the ref has to make a call then and there, he does not have the luxury of sitting in his living room like we do, watching 20 billion replays of the play from 50 gazillion angles in super slow motion and enhanced view.

That tends to warp debates between fans who watch the game and refs who work during the game....

So what looks like a clear goal to you and me, can look like a non-goal to the ref at that moment.

Fans however tend to react badly to calls they feel are against their team...go figure...

[Greekfreak]

Which is why I firmly believe that video replay should be part of the game, but including it will ensure that FIFA cannot buy matches anymore. At least not as blatantly. So they'll probably never allow it because they're stuck in the stone age.

Match-fixing is something they can't really do much about, but blatant handballs, goal-line controversies, clear dives, shirt pulling, etc. can be stopped.

In any event, I said it in 2006, so I will say it again; if Korea wins, I hope it's cleanly because it's a country that needs less controversy; not more.

[PatrickGHBusan]

Video replay in international football, now theres a big debate!

I think video replay could be insituted for key elements (goals) but not for other calls (offside). It would make a heck of a debate.

[Gladiator]

I expect Korea to take an extremely physical approach against Argentina and my guess is they will attempt to dole out the same treatment to Messi that Ho Jung Moo did to Maradona in the corresponding fixture 24 years ago at the Olympico stadium in Mexico. Whether the Korean players do anything to Messi as obnoxious as Ho's "Taekwondo Soccer" remains to be seen, but with the generally superior protection flair players get from referees these days I doubt it. Whether any of them are quick enough to get close to Messi is another question!

Korea aren't a bad side (though limited) and like the majority here I don't see them progressing. They'll definitely give Argentina a game, but I think the craftiness of the Greeks and the brute power of Nigeria will be too much for them.

[JMO]

I don't think any of those korea games were nessacarily fixed, it is just a lot of pressure to referee a home team game in a world cup and they tend to side with the home team. If you get a really incompetent referee then the home team can get a lot of help.

I'm Irish and even tho I was pissed at the Henry incident it is just part of the game. I am completely against tv cameras. Any stoppages to the game and we go down the road of tv timeouts and ads during the game. That cannot happen.

BTW heres a preview of S Korea from a great tactical blog.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/06/10/south-korea-world-cup-2010-tactics/

[oldfatfarang]

[Horangi Munshin]

Hassling students about any short comings the Korean soccer team has wouldn't be something I would do.

I expect I will receive my share of smug comments about my home team. If they score one goal I'll be very happy.

[cj1976]

[cj1976]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4lG2RYalS8

A little reminder of Korea in the 2002 tournament. Hard not to suspect something was amiss.

[PatrickGHBusan]

Nothing was amiss beyond some bad calls....man you consipary theorists are amusing.

By the way...did the US really land on the moon?

I heard it was staged care to investigate this cj?