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Advice: Should I quit or wait to get fired?
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JackSarang



Joined: 28 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:02 am    Post subject: Advice: Should I quit or wait to get fired? Reply with quote

So I'm 7 months into this contract. I've been told that the Director is thinking about or is going to fire me and the source is 100% reliable. Now, this doesn't come as a complete surprise (just a vibe I get) but in typical Korean fashion he has never once expressed displeasure in my performance or otherwise indicated he wanted to get rid of me. Apparently its due to those mysterious "parent complaints" which is doubly mysterious because I've never had an issue with any of my students. The school is doing very well also, to the point where they need more teachers, not cut down.

Now, my Director is a pretty decent guy, speaks decent english and treats all the teachers well. We get paid on time, don't get jerked around etc. So I'm pretty sure he would give me the legal 30 days notice (he does everything strictly by the book so I'm sure he knows the Labour Laws). He doesn't done so yet.

So my major issue I have is this proverbial axe hanging over my head. Now I could just try and ride things out, since circumstances have him needing me around to fill the classes right now (2 teachers he was hoping would re-sign chose not to and he's only replaced one, so we're short). So I figure I'm "safe" for a least another month and a 1/2. At which point I'd be at 9 1/2 months and it might not be worth it to fire me. He's disgustingly rich as it is and screwing me out of severence and return ticket are probably the last of his motives. I should also mention that all previous teachers have finished their contracts without incident and recieved their severence/return ticket without issue.

The flipside is I'm no longer in control of my own destiny and simply "not knowing" is pretty stressful. He could serve me up with my walking papers tomorrow for all I know. So if I start looking for another job now, I can check out other schools and such and when I've found something I can setup a start date a month later, then hand in my 30 day notice to my present Director. That way things are on my timetable and at the very least, the stress of being in limbo is gone.

Anyway, wondering what anyone else would suggest in this situation.

Jack.
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tsgarp



Joined: 01 Dec 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you just go up to him LIKE AN ADULT and politely ask, hey what do you think of my teaching? I'd like to hear your thoughts because as the boss it matters to me? Be polite and make it seem like you're genuinely interested in being a better teacher.
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the the idea that tsgarpstated, but I would ask him directly if he has any intention of terminating your contract and then ask why if the response is positive. You have said that he is a pretty decent director, so I would be honest with him and say that you have heard a rumor to that end and you need to clarify it. Be honest about your concerns because of what you have heard. Best of luck. Smile
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7 months in, and he is responsible for airfare, etc....

I'd ask him about it, or you will go nuts. Whether you stick it out until the end is up to you. Yes, I also hate how Koreans offer NO feedback. Had it happen to me before, too. On the flipside, the director was asking me to consider coming back 2 months later. No thanks. The situation stressed me out, also.

Talk to him. You'll likely hear something upsetting or even unfair (be mentally prepared), but just keep your head and don't freak out when you hear it.

From that point, you'll better know what you want to do. Five months is a long time to continue working somewhere you don't like.
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice: Should I quit or wait to get fired? Reply with quote

JackSarang wrote:
I'm pretty sure he would give me the legal 30 days notice (he does everything strictly by the book so I'm sure he knows the Labour Laws).


don't fool yourself.. there is no labor law to cover you.

there will be something in your contract that you have breached, if not, he will find something or invent it.


tsgarp wrote:
Why don't you just go up to him LIKE AN ADULT and politely ask, hey what do you think of my teaching? I'd like to hear your thoughts because as the boss it matters to me? Be polite and make it seem like you're genuinely interested in being a better teacher.


if he has made up his mind to fire him he is not going to tell him and be a teacher short whilst wait for another teacher to arrive. my last hogwon this happened, i asked the boss about job security and she said there was nothing to worry about... biatch

8 days latter i was sacked on the spot.. she did pay everything though, i will give her credit.. 5 months working, no need to pay but she gave me what i was owed, 1 month in advance & my 2 mill severance Rolling Eyes

she was a biatch though and made my days hell... if she did give me notice i would have been in the kids ears and tried to poach them for my friends hogwon.

i can see why instant dismissal is popular.

things depend on whether you want to work in korea again or ya just wanna go home...
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Mankind



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice: Should I quit or wait to get fired? Reply with quote

[quote="wylde"]

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don't fool yourself.. there is no labor law to cover you.

there will be something in your contract that you have breached, if not, he will find something or invent it.


Yes there is. I do some work for the labour board, so trust me. Don't quit! If he fires you, he must give 30 days notice or 30 days pay. It's the law and you will get your money. (If you've worked 6 months, and the Hogwan has more the 5 employees).

HAND Smile
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice: Should I quit or wait to get fired? Reply with quote

Mankind wrote:
wylde wrote:


Quote:
don't fool yourself.. there is no labor law to cover you.

there will be something in your contract that you have breached, if not, he will find something or invent it.


Yes there is. I do some work for the labour board, so trust me. Don't quit! If he fires you, he must give 30 days notice or 30 days pay. It's the law and you will get your money. (If you've worked 6 months, and the Hogwan has more the 5 employees).

HAND Smile


Rolling Eyes

check the contract properly - there are clauses for instant dismissal and the employer could easily slot you into one of those.. even if he makes false accusations, it is up to you to stuff around for the next few months to prove that they were just that, false.

in that case, pay for time in lieu of the 30 days is void.

sometimes it is better to bite the bullet, count your losses and quit or run after payday. this can be done many ways but if you want to get another job in korea you will need a letter of release. if that is the case... do not burn him otherwise there will be more hassles. start saving your money bro, ya never know what is around the corner.

whether you work for the labor board or ronald mcdonald... it doesn't change anything
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JackSarang



Joined: 28 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tsgarp wrote:
Why don't you just go up to him LIKE AN ADULT and politely ask, hey what do you think of my teaching? I'd like to hear your thoughts because as the boss it matters to me? Be polite and make it seem like you're genuinely interested in being a better teacher.


The "adult" thing to do in this situation would have been the director telling me what his issues were so I could correct them. Instead he's made it seem like everything is just fine when apparently its not. And I have asked about my teaching in the past, after Parent-Come-to-Class days I asked how it went and he said, "Its good, all the parents are very satisfied".

Given that he avoids all confrontation I have no reason to believe he'd be honest with me and say, "Yes, I'm going to fire you, just not yet." He'd simply lie and do it later. As has happened to many others, including people in this thread apparently.
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FUBAR



Joined: 21 Oct 2003