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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
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 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: Hillary Clinton is a Fascist |
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I literally can't wait until this adminstration is gone.
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Simply stated, there are some things that are more important than obeying tax laws. [For example], tax havens are an extremely important refuge for people who are subject to persecution and other forms of government malfeasance.
Let�s consider some Latin American examples. Imagine a political dissident in Venezuela. Hugo Chavez has turned that country into a thugocracy and opponents of his sinister regime are vulnerable to having their assets expropriated (and worse). Thankfully, many Venezuelans are able to protect themselves from socialist tyranny by putting their money in Cayman, Panama, or Miami (the U.S. is a tax haven for non-U.S. people). But if Mrs. Clinton got to make the rules, tax havens would no longer exist and Chavez would be empowered.
Or what about families in Mexico, who rightfully are afraid that if they keep their money in the country and report it on their tax returns, corrupt bureaucrats in the national tax office will sell their names to criminal gangs and suddenly their children will be kidnapped. Fortunately, many Mexicans can guard against this horrific possibility by placing their assets in Cayman, Panama, or Miami. But in Mrs. Clinton�s ideal world, those options would not exist and many more people would experience the nightmare of vicious crime.
And consider the plight of Argentinians. A few years ago, the nation�s venal government stole the private pension assets of the people. This is in addition to radical currency devaluations that have wiped out a big chunk of people�s savings. Prudent Argentinians have avoided these forms of [theft] by moving funds to Cayman, Panama, and Miami. In the Orwellian world envisioned by Mrs. Clinton, however, tax havens wouldn�t exist and governments would have carte blanche.
Politicians and senior government appointees all over the world act as if folks in the private sector are nothing more than serfs and peasants who have an obligation to pay ever-higher tax burdens, so we should be happy that so-called tax havens offer a refuge
http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/hillary-clintons-misguided-and-dangerous-advice-for-latin-america/ |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Hillary Clinton is a Fascist |
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[quote="Sergio Stefanuto"]I literally can't wait until this adminstration is gone.
I absolutely agree. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Hillary Clinton is a scumbag. |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| And hyperbole is a Nazi. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| So, maybe it's in the article, how many Latin Americans keep their money in tax havens? Most? Or just rich folk wanting to dodge the rules and take money out of their country? Paying taxes, thems are the rules, right? |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| So, maybe it's in the article, how many Latin Americans keep their money in tax havens? Most? |
I couldn't care less. I think the option merely existing, regardless of how many exploit it, to refuse to have one's assets confiscated and wasted by state-employed layabouts is an intrinsic moral good
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| Or just rich folk wanting to dodge the rules and take money out of their country? Paying taxes, thems are the rules, right? |
Taxes not being paid is an unintended consequence of brilliant ideas such as high taxes in the first place. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I agree, being required by law to contribute to the common weal is completely unreasonable.
One's assets confiscated by etc. Melodrama, dear Serge, melodrama.
What in your estimation is a 'high tax' then? |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| chellovek wrote: |
| So, maybe it's in the article, how many Latin Americans keep their money in tax havens? Most? |
I couldn't care less. I think the option merely existing, regardless of how many exploit it, to refuse to have one's assets confiscated and wasted by state-employed layabouts is an intrinsic moral good |
Tax evasion is a crime in any functioning society. I distinguish tax evasion and tax dodging very sharply. |
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Blockhead confidence
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Taxes not being paid is an unintended consequence of brilliant ideas such as high taxes in the first place. |
Cops and judges being killed is an unintended consequence of brilliant ideas such as cracking down on the mafia. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| Belief in the rule of law does not a fascist make. When you shout such ridiculous things it's hard to take you seriously. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| Blockhead confidence wrote: |
Cops and judges being killed is an unintended consequence of brilliant ideas such as cracking down on the mafia. |
The existence of the Mafia is an unintended consequence of brilliant ideas such as prohibition
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Tax evasion is a crime in any functioning society. I distinguish tax evasion and tax dodging very sharply |
Not relevant. The issue Dan Mitchell discusses is tax havens and the moral case thereof |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| In a functioning society (to use THW's phrase) where civil liberties etc are protected there is no moral reason to break tax laws. Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Peru and others in South America are fine enough places. There is no moral case to not follow the law. Venezuela is probably an exception. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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I smell a troll who has no facts, no link to a current event other than someone's personal opinion and simply doesn't like Ms. Clinton.
jees the right-wingers on here -  |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| moosehead wrote: |
| I smell a troll who has no facts, no link to a current event other than someone's personal opinion and simply doesn't like Ms. Clinton. |
Yes, it was a fairly gratuitous post.
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Blockhead confidence
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Blockhead confidence wrote: |
Cops and judges being killed is an unintended consequence of brilliant ideas such as cracking down on the mafia. |
The existence of the Mafia is an unintended consequence of brilliant ideas such as prohibition |
Yeah, the Romans said that for a law to be effective it must be easy to enforce.
Somehow though, I imagine the number of folks who like a drop of liquor is slightly higher than the number who shift millions of dollars over to tax havens. |
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