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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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@Ketchup
Here's an idea. You should say "I'm from Sweden. I speak only Swedish but want to use Korean." All in Korean of course.
Or any other country for that matter. I'd avoid German, Spanish, or French unless you're really fluent, because I've found that quite a few Koreans know some of those languages.
I hope that helps! |
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Daniel_D
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Nice troll OP |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the suggestion, NYC.
I've had overseas experience in Spanish.
I've thought about pretending that I'm from Venezuela, that I am loyal to the President of Venezuela, who hates Americans, and that I hate Americans also.
Then I would stand up, look the person straight in the face, and ask, "Did you think I was an American?"
I've thought about doing that, but it involves looking at a Fergusonian straight in the face, and I can't stand to look at them. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Hello, NYC_Gal, Underwaterbob, and Nester Noodlemon!
I asked you 24 hours ago why a foreigner who speaks Korean badly should be Anglophoned, but you never answered.
The best I can do, then, is to make a few guesses at what you're driving at and see if any of those guesses are correct.
Please read the following hypotheses and check which one is correct:
ㅁ 1. A foreigner who speaks Korean badly is an underachiever.
Therefore, he deserves the humiliation of being Anglophoned.
ㅁ 2. A foreigner who speaks Korean badly is hopeless.
Therefore, he does not merit the time and effort of anyone else trying to help him learn.
ㅁ 3. A foreigner who speaks Korean badly is a nincompoop.
Therefore, his opinion doesn't matter.
ㅁ 4. All of the above.
ㅁ 4. Other. (Please specify.)______________________________________ |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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tomato wrote: |
Thanks for the suggestion, NYC.
I've had overseas experience in Spanish.
I've thought about pretending that I'm from Venezuela, that I am loyal to the President of Venezuela, who hates Americans, and that I hate Americans also.
Then I would stand up, look the person straight in the face, and ask, "Did you think I was an American?"
I've thought about doing that, but it involves looking at a Fergusonian straight in the face, and I can't stand to look at them. |
Ah but it'd be so funny! I pretend to only speak Spanish on occasion, but that's so I can have a quiet taxi ride. Not all the time, but once in a while when I just don't feel like talking in ANY language to the driver  |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:11 am Post subject: |
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tomato wrote: |
Hello, NYC_Gal, Underwaterbob, and Nester Noodlemon!
I asked you 24 hours ago why a foreigner who speaks Korean badly should be Anglophoned, but you never answered.
The best I can do, then, is to make a few guesses at what you're driving at and see if any of those guesses are correct.
Please read the following hypotheses and check which one is correct:
ㅁ 1. A foreigner who speaks Korean badly is an underachiever.
Therefore, he deserves the humiliation of being Anglophoned.
ㅁ 2. A foreigner who speaks Korean badly is hopeless.
Therefore, he does not merit the time and effort of anyone else trying to help him learn.
ㅁ 3. A foreigner who speaks Korean badly is a nincompoop.
Therefore, his opinion doesn't matter.
ㅁ 4. All of the above.
ㅁ 4. Other. (Please specify.)______________________________________ |
4. Ignorance (not the foreigner's). Suck it up. It really shouldn't be as common as you say. If not, SNIP, you know? If you've lived here long enough you just think to yourself "I'm not racist. I'm culturist," and ignore it.
I had some students start smacking a very slow boy today in class (when they thought I wasn't looking) and had to stop the class and explain to them in ENGLISH (it was class, after all) that this is what dumb animals do, and were they humans or dumb animals? Should they eat off the floor like animals? Should they smell like ddong like animals? This was all translated by a fantastic 5th grader in case they didn't understand "my mean."
This was after having made him cry during a group activity when they told him he wasn't in a group. I found out about that from the above fantastic 5th grader. I have no tolerance for bullies preying on the weak, and they do get punished. I've only gotten angry twice whilst teaching, so my students know when they've done wrong.
Give it time. Humanity as a whole has only recently gotten to the somewhat-enlightened stage of today, and some countries are still in need of a bit (or a lot) of catch up (hehe ketchup. sorry). Heck. Look at some parts of the US! |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:09 am Post subject: |
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"Welcome to the first meeting of the Wegukin Auxiliary of the Miriam Ferguson Society. I trust that you all read the sign at the door. This is a very important meeting, so it is very important that there will be no interruptions. So you are all asked to turn off your cell phones and leave them in the basket on the table by the door. If you forgot to do so, please do so now."
The organizer continued, "Most of you have received my invitation, or perhaps you were brought here by someone who has. We are all gathered here to promote Koreans speaking English to wegukin's. And what is the reason?"
The words thundered throughout the room. "CULTURAL INEQUALITY!"
The organizer spoke again. "And can anyone explain what is meant by cultural inequality?"
He called on one member who was raising his hand. "We're better than they are. We speak a language which is spoken by people all over the world. They don't. So they have a responsibility to learn our language but we don't have a . . ."
"You're crazy!" Another member jumped up. "They're better than we are. They are intelligent and diligent enough to learn a second language and we're not!"
The first member tried to respond, but a third member also spoke up. "Why should we learn a second language! We can travel anywhere in the world and people will be glad to accommodate us!"
A fourth member spoke up. "Yeah, look how some of our employers accommodate us! They stick us in the broom closet!"
A fifth member yelled, "Maybe so, but it's their country and their culture and we should respect their country and their culture whether we like everything they do or not!"
Someone else shouted, "Yes, I know, 'we must respect the culture that we're in.' What ever happened to 'two wrongs don't make a right'?"
The moderator clasped his hands. "Now, now, let's not get carried away!"
Two or three more people spoke up, but they were drowned out by two or three more. Soon, nearly everyone in the room had chosen one side or the other and was angrily confronting someone else.
Soon after that, the room became overtaken with round houses and upper cuts. Everyone was busy either delivering punches or dodging punches, so no one noticed the organizer, who was swiftly and silently grabbing the basket of cell phones and heading out of the room. As he locked the door from the outside, he chuckled to himself. "Tomato, you are a genius!" |
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noraebang
Joined: 05 May 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:21 am Post subject: |
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tomato wrote: |
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I do NOT surround myself with other foreigners.
The only time I ever even see other foreigners is in Korean class.
I don't watch English movies and TV shows all the time either.
I don't even have a TV. |
What are the last 3 websites that you visited?
What are your top three most read blogs?
What web forums do you spend the most time in?
What are the last three books you read?
What language are your operating system and web browser in?
What was the last podcast that you listened to?
What was the last CD/Mp3 that you purchased?
I rest my case. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:53 am Post subject: |
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For some of those questions, I plead guilty.
For some of them, I plead not guilty.
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What are the last 3 websites that you visited? |
I don't remember.
Most of the time that I spend on the Internet I spend on forums.
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What are your top three most read blogs? |
I don't know what a blog is.
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What web forums do you spend the most time in? |
The Classical music section in Yahoo Answers.
Every day, I check not only the questions in English, but the questions in Spanish and Italian.
Am I permitted to show interest in other languages besides Korean?
I tried to find a classical music forum in Korean, but the only one I could find requires a Korean citizen number.
I wrote to the Webmaster, asking if there was any other way I could get in, but he never wrote back.
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What are the last three books you read? |
Yes, they were all in English.
Some of the books which I have read most recently were on linguistics and on Asian culture.
One of my favorite pasttimes is reading kiddy books at the local library.
I would read more advanced books in Korean if I had the proficiency.
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What language are your operating system and web browser in? |
The operating system is in Korean and the Web browser is in English.
I use the Hangul program even when typing in English.
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What was the last podcast that you listened to? |
I don't know what a podcast is.
The last time I listened to the radio was when I lived close to the classical radio station in 청주.
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What was the last CD/Mp3 that you purchased? |
I don't have an Mp3.
I have all the Puccini operas and several CD's of Korean children's songs.
The only reason I don't have any Korean opera is because I haven't found any.
During the past week, I have tried to find a store which sells a CD of children's religious songs which they use at the church where I attend.
I would like to learn those songs and teach them to my 7-year-old sidekick. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hello, Noraebang, Captain Corea, and air76!
A long time ago, I asked you to explain why it is wrong for me to spend time in other ways besides learning Korean, but you never answered.
The best I can do, then, is to make a few guesses at what you're driving at and see if any of those guesses are correct.
Please read the following hypotheses and check which one is correct:
ㅁ 1. A foreigner who pursues other interests besides studying Korean could not be a highly motivated student.
Therefore, he deserves the humiliation of being Anglophoned.
ㅁ 2. A foreigner who pursues other interests besides studying Korean could not achieve very much in learning Korean.
Therefore, he deserves the humiliation of being Anglophoned.
ㅁ 3. Both of the above.
ㅁ 4. Other. (Please specify.)______________________________________
I can name several famous people who were amateur musicians: Missionary doctor Albert Schweitzer was an organist and author of an excellent two-volume work on Johann Sebastian Bach.
Albert Einstein was an excellent violinist.
Poet James Whitcomb Riley owned a violin and was able to play every instrument in the orchestra.
Benjamin Franklin composed music.
Charlie Chaplin composed music.
John Holt, author of the best-selling books How Children Learn and How Children Fail, played the cello.
Advertising executive David Ogilvy played the double bass.
The title player of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood has a college degree in music composition and composed all of the music for his own program.
Woody Allen is a jazz clarinettist.
I can name three American Presidents who were musicians:
Thomas Jefferson played the violin, Harry Truman played the piano, and Bill Clinton plays the saxophone.
I can also name a few famous musicians who had other interests: Composer Giuseppe Verdi had an apple orchard.
Composer Domenico Alberti was Venetian ambassador to Spain. Composer Richard Wagner was a prolific writer of philosophical treatises. Composer Albert Roussel was an officer in the French navy.
Composer Nicholas Rimsky-Korsakoff was an officer in the Russian navy.
Composer Charles Ives was an insurance salesman.
If none of these people devoted every waking minute to pursuing a single interest, why do I have to?
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009 Location: Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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tomato wrote: |
If none of these people devoted every waking minute to pursuing a single interest, why do I have to? |
That post wasn't directed at me, but I'll post an answer anyway. Simply put, because you are the one on your high horse about foreigners not learning Korean. I have multiple interests - most of which will help advance my resume to get a job in the field that I want to work in when I leave Korea. Learning Korean probably won't help at all so it's fairly low down on my priorities in Korea (though I am trying to learn). I suspect some (more likely a minority of) foreigners are the same. The others, well, good luck to them when they go home. Either way, it's not your place to judge them because they don't speak Korean or aren't trying to learn.
Besides, I'd love to know where you hang out that you hear "Can I help you?" so much that it drives you to distraction. |
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noraebang
Joined: 05 May 2010
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:49 am Post subject: |
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tomato wrote: |
If none of these people devoted every waking minute to pursuing a single interest, why do I have to? |
Because they didn't begin incessantly complaining if someone brought up something other than music with them.
You can't at the same time claim that you don't get Korean practice and can't speak to Korean people when you aren't making an effort to do so. The 3 seconds a Korean replies to you with "Thank You" in English can be more than made up by spending the hours of free time you use thinking and reading in English, doing those same things through Korean.
Yeah that's right, if you haven't noticed, you do things THROUGH a language. You can still have room for all of your hobbies while thinking about them in Korean or reading about them in Korean.
Did you read the blog post I linked you to? It said to "pick your battles wisely." Are you picking your battles wisely when you insist on having a 7 word conversation in Korean instead of English with a shopkeeper? No, not when you're spending 8+ hours per day thinking, writing, and reading in English.
PS: Let me teach you an important life skill that may come in handy for living life as an independent adult. If someone mentions a word like "blog" or "podcast" on the internet, you look it up with some type of reference like Google.com or Wikipedia.com. You will find an explanation of what it is there and you won't have to remain in the dark! Hooray for adult life skills. |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:19 am Post subject: |
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I hardly think that he was serious when he stated that he didn't know what a podcast or blog was. If he WAS serious, he's so far gone that he's a lost cause, so we may as well let him rant about Koreans having the nerve to try and accommodate him.
With that, I bid the lovely people on this thread adieu. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:20 am Post subject: |
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This morning, a man was washing windows on the second floor and dripping water on the sidewalk.
When I came by, a man standing on the sidewalk said, "비 캐플, 오케이?"
I stopped and watched to see if he was telling everyone else to exercise caution.
Sure enough, he wasn't.
Two or three Koreans passed by and he didn't say a word.
There is only one way that I can interpret this:
And that's that Koreans have enough sense not to step in a puddle but wegukin's don't.
But I know I'm dead wrong.
Please explain to me what it does mean. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Kang-aji wrote: |
Are you really that much of a snob to say "Sorry, the language of your country, your home, yeah, that language you're very proud of isn't useful enough for me to learn"? It's not that hard. It a LOT less difficult than English. |
Are you kidding me?!
Korean is a very difficult language to learn.
Check out this:
English difficulty level: 2/5
Korean difficulty level: 5/5
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/e/languages/korean/index.html
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/e/languages/english.html
(I do not say this to discourage others, but rather to offer some realism and perspective about the amount of time needed to get good). |
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