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iheartssangchu
Joined: 03 Jun 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:34 am Post subject: How picky can you be with recruiters? |
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Hi!
I've been in contact w/ some recruiters and been given some decent schools as options but none to my likings. My one recruiter kept on pushing for this high school position but I told her I'd prefer middle or elementary school. In the end I said I'd be open to anything and look through the school. I think she's REALLY pushing me for this school. I've been looking though the job offer and I think it's too advanced for a newbie like me.
How picky can I be w/ recruiters? Can I keep on saying, "This isn't want I had in mind" or "Do you have any other options". I obviously don't expect things to be perfect. As long as it is the grades I want, I'm not too picky. Is that too much to ask? |
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Finster
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Well I'm not in Korea (yet) but I think I can pre-empt the responses of those that are...
Be as picky as you want. The greatest trick the recruiter ever pulls is convincing the world he's working for them. He's not. He's working for himself to get his placement fee, plain and simple, you're almost secondary. So use as many as you like, turn down the jobs you don't fancy and most important, stick to your guns. There'll be a job that fits your criteria coming along at some stage as you genuinely aren't asking for anything daft or out of the ordinary.
That's what I'm doing anyway, I've alread turned down a few offers because they're not what I want, where I want, or they involve teaching the dreaded Kindymonsters. Sit tight and never get pushed into a certain job, ask yourself, if it's such a good position why isn't it gone already and why is the recruiter giving it the hard sell? |
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SunDevil Dre
Joined: 07 Jun 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Finster wrote: |
Well I'm not in Korea (yet) but I think I can pre-empt the responses of those that are...
Be as picky as you want. The greatest trick the recruiter ever pulls is convincing the world he's working for them. He's not. He's working for himself to get his placement fee, plain and simple, you're almost secondary. So use as many as you like, turn down the jobs you don't fancy and most important, stick to your guns. There'll be a job that fits your criteria coming along at some stage as you genuinely aren't asking for anything daft or out of the ordinary.
That's what I'm doing anyway, I've alread turned down a few offers because they're not what I want, where I want, or they involve teaching the dreaded Kindymonsters. Sit tight and never get pushed into a certain job, ask yourself, if it's such a good position why isn't it gone already and why is the recruiter giving it the hard sell? |
I'm obviously not the OP, but I found this advice extremely helpful. Thanks. |
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iheartssangchu
Joined: 03 Jun 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info. It's like working on commission I guess.
How many offers do you get per consultant? Mine said usually 1. But my other one sent me 2 already. |
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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iheartssangchu wrote: |
Thanks for the info. It's like working on commission I guess.
How many offers do you get per consultant? Mine said usually 1. But my other one sent me 2 already. |
It depends on the consultant - some will just send you one, and then if you turn it down, they will never talk to you again. Some will send you half a dozen. Some will ask your preferences, and then not send you any at all.
That's why it really pays to be working with more than one recruiter. If you hold out, you probably will be able to get what you want. Just be patient, and take everything they say with a grain of salt.
I had quite a few recruiters tell me that I couldn't possibly get a job in Seoul (I did) or that I had to teach kindergarten (I don't). The list goes on. |
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iheartssangchu
Joined: 03 Jun 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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iheartssangchu wrote: |
Thanks for the info. It's like working on commission I guess.
It depends on the consultant - some will just send you one, and then if you turn it down, they will never talk to you again. Some will send you half a dozen. Some will ask your preferences, and then not send you any at all.
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I guess my concern is I don't want to seem TOO pushy and ungrateful. The school she offered me is def. not what I want.
Is it weird that one of my recruiters just sent me school infos w/o interviewing me before hand? |
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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iheartssangchu wrote: |
iheartssangchu wrote: |
Thanks for the info. It's like working on commission I guess.
It depends on the consultant - some will just send you one, and then if you turn it down, they will never talk to you again. Some will send you half a dozen. Some will ask your preferences, and then not send you any at all.
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I guess my concern is I don't want to seem TOO pushy and ungrateful. The school she offered me is def. not what I want.
Is it weird that one of my recruiters just sent me school infos w/o interviewing me before hand? |
You don't have to be grateful! They get their daily bread from placing you at a school - it's not charity. And if you've told her what you want and she's still pushing something completely different on you, it's time to find a new recruiter. There are hundreds out there.
Remember, you're the one who's going to have to spend the next year at the school, not the recruiter. You absolutely have the right to say no, to ask questions, and to move on if it's not what you're looking for.
Good luck! |
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iheartssangchu
Joined: 03 Jun 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Perceptioncheck wrote: |
Remember, you're the one who's going to have to spend the next year at the school, not the recruiter. You absolutely have the right to say no, to ask questions, and to move on if it's not what you're looking for.
Good luck! |
Thanks!! It's true, why be miserable for a year b/c of a pushy recruiter. Thanks again! Appreciate it. |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry too much about teaching high school as a newbie. I had one year of hagwon kindy/elementary experience when I landed this job. So far, it's been much easier. I work fewer hours and actually have time to prepare for my classes. Also, next week I will attend a GEPIK seminar that I've heard is pretty good. Your experiences with co-teachers will vary, but mine is pretty nice. I imagine that any expectations that she has not clarified will be laid out in the seminar and I feel that I've been set up to succeed according to my ability and my willingness to work. No major variables are stacked against me. |
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iheartssangchu
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Illysook wrote: |
Don't worry too much about teaching high school as a newbie. I had one year of hagwon kindy/elementary experience when I landed this job. So far, it's been much easier. I work fewer hours and actually have time to prepare for my classes. |
Do you concentrate more on grammer or conversational skills? I heard some schools have native Korean teachers to teach grammer to their students. I may be wrong. I have to brush up on my grammer skills (hence TESOL class). I'm worried they may ask me things I don't know. And high school now is WAY different than when I went. |
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butter_opera
Joined: 07 Apr 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I taught at an all boys HS last year....WORST mistake of my life. I did not know it was an all boys school until I got there! (I blame my recruiter for that). My HS did not have a text book for conversation class and I had to come up with all the material on my own....and when you work hard to come up with something (my co-teachers def did NOT help me) and bit by bit see all the students nod off, it is hella discouraging!
Bottom line, you said you were a newbie...go for what you really want. The only reason you are coming to Korea is to WORK. I stayed the full year and was miserable. If you are not happy with the offer she is giving you look elsewhere...it is just the nature of the business. But put your needs hurt! Living in Korea is fun/exciting...but a poor work situation/environment will most certainly put a damper on your whole experience.
Do your research! |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:08 am Post subject: |
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They do have Korean teachers for grammar. My job is to give them a positive experience speaking English. It is difficult to get the kids to participate. There's no doubt about that. So far, I've managed this okay. If a teacher is supposed to be firm the first day of class, I certainly did that. We played a game in which they had to write down three things about themselves, place their answers in a hat and swap. In some of the classes, I ran out of responses before I ran out of kids. When that happened, I reclaimed all of the responses and made everyone do that part of the assignment a second time.
My second lesson plan should have gone so well. It was pretty creative, but my kids have been studying for next weeks exams and the few classes that I actually got to teach seemed sorta interested, but sleepy from the get-go. I walked around and encouraged, but since it was a group exercise, I decided I'd help the ones who were interested. |
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fl4mers
Joined: 26 Jan 2010
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:13 am Post subject: |
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butter_opera wrote: |
I taught at an all boys HS last year....WORST mistake of my life. I did not know it was an all boys school until I got there! (I blame my recruiter for that). My HS did not have a text book for conversation class and I had to come up with all the material on my own....and when you work hard to come up with something (my co-teachers def did NOT help me) and bit by bit see all the students nod off, it is hella discouraging!
Bottom line, you said you were a newbie...go for what you really want. The only reason you are coming to Korea is to WORK. I stayed the full year and was miserable. If you are not happy with the offer she is giving you look elsewhere...it is just the nature of the business. But put your needs hurt! Living in Korea is fun/exciting...but a poor work situation/environment will most certainly put a damper on your whole experience.
Do your research! |
Haha, sorry I don't mean to laugh but this situation was just too familiar. My recruiter woke me up at 7am one morning saying there was a public school that wanted to interview me IMMEDIATELY (without giving me any info whatsoever apart from that it was in Suwon). Because I was waiting on another contract at the time I postponed the interview by saying I did not feel ready to talk to them without being amply prepared. I asked her to send me the details of the school so that I could look over them and then interview the next working day. Well...she reluctantly agreed and then sent me the information and what did I see...it was an all boy's high school. She didn't tell me that, the information she sent me didn't tell me that...the only reason I found out was because I specifically asked for the school webpage (Almost all, if not all schools will have one) and read some Korean, so was able to piece together that it was an all boys high school. Needless to say I declined the offer for an interview in the end. I think that would be an awful position to be in a) as a girl and b) as a new teacher without any teaching experience. Boys can be fun, but they can be a handfull too. I feel for you butter...good job in working through it! |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Finster wrote: |
Well I'm not in Korea (yet) but I think I can pre-empt the responses of those that are...
Be as picky as you want. The greatest trick the recruiter ever pulls is convincing the world he's working for them. He's not. He's working for himself to get his placement fee, plain and simple, you're almost secondary. So use as many as you like, turn down the jobs you don't fancy and most important, stick to your guns. There'll be a job that fits your criteria coming along at some stage as you genuinely aren't asking for anything daft or out of the ordinary.
That's what I'm doing anyway, I've alread turned down a few offers because they're not what I want, where I want, or they involve teaching the dreaded Kindymonsters. Sit tight and never get pushed into a certain job, ask yourself, if it's such a good position why isn't it gone already and why is the recruiter giving it the hard sell? |
A lot of this makes sense and is sound advice.
Basically know what you want but also know what you are worth on the market...your worth and the ability to choose that comes with it is based on:
1- Your qualification (Education degree, TESL Degree, non-related degree)
2- Teaching experience or lack of it
3- What the market is offering for the type of applicant you are.
Keep in mind that the market now is flooded with applicants. In such an environment, employers are pickier and recruiters, being flooded with applications will usually ditch an applicant that turns down jobs. Why? Because as the previous poster correctly said, a recruiter is just a middle man that puts you in contact with an employer and then gets a fee for placement. The longer it takes to place a teacher, the less chance there is the recruiter will keep working with you. Simple economics.
Having preferences is great, having unrealistic preferences is bad...so again...figure out what you are worth and what you can get!
You should not take any job thats tossed at you...but you should also not turn down jobs because they fail to meet everyone of your demands. Expectations and demands are meant to be flexible, some are critical while others are nice to have...learn to differenciate between the two. |
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Finster
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Basically know what you want but also know what you are worth on the market...your worth and the ability to choose that comes with it is based on:
1- Your qualification (Education degree, TESL Degree, non-related degree)
2- Teaching experience or lack of it
3- What the market is offering for the type of applicant you are.
Keep in mind that the market now is flooded with applicants. In such an environment, employers are pickier and recruiters, being flooded with applications will usually ditch an applicant that turns down jobs. Why? Because as the previous poster correctly said, a recruiter is just a middle man that puts you in contact with an employer and then gets a fee for placement. The longer it takes to place a teacher, the less chance there is the recruiter will keep working with you. Simple economics.
Having preferences is great, having unrealistic preferences is bad...so again...figure out what you are worth and what you can get!
You should not take any job thats tossed at you...but you should also not turn down jobs because they fail to meet everyone of your demands. Expectations and demands are meant to be flexible, some are critical while others are nice to have...learn to differenciate between the two. |
+1. I completely agree that you need to strike a nice balance between being suitably circumspect on one hand, but don't be a demanding primadonna either! OP, you seem like a level headed sort and your demands aren't ostentatious by any means on the face of it, so hang in there and don't be pressured into anything that's too big a compromise. |
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