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Itaewon is a cesspool
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saram_



Joined: 13 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itaewon sums up Korea in some ways..

It has gone through HUGE change in the last decade..

Itaewon has had a very bad reputation and rightly so for years.
It was one of these places (maybe the only place) to be avoided.. Back in the 1990's it was just crazy and just total chaos. Now- I wasn't around here then but Ive heard this from many different people..

Itaewon is now a much cleaner and safer place than say 10 years ago..

I can't but wonder as I walk around Itaewon these days at the ever increasing amount of Korean people there.. Ive been in Korea about 4 years and certainly notice this.

Itaewon has a lot to offer both expats here as already mentioned and also Koreans..especially the younger ones who are more curious about western culture.

If Itaewon continues on its upwardly path then it could and should be a pretty cool place in the future..


Itaewon has a long way to go though and there are certain elements (especially at night time) within Itaewon which tarnish it's name and make it a place that most people can't fully embrace...yet!

Anyway..Itaewon shouldn't just be written off as A or B...
It is changing/developing!!
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teretere



Joined: 26 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Koreans in Itaewon look jaded, cynical, and shell-shocked.

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noraebang



Joined: 05 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cesspool is a "A filthy, disgusting, or morally corrupt place."

Last time I went to Tartine Bakery, I dined in a quiet, tidy, and comfortable atmosphere. I found nothing that was negative about the patrons nor the service. The chef was delightful and personally came out to chat with us. The skill and love he puts into his food is admirable.

The last major meal I had at a restaurant in Itaewon was at a place I think was called The Moghul (not quite sure anymore). It was an Indian buffet in which I was waited on, hand and foot, by the staff. The service was incredible and I walked away stuffed with delicious food. Rather than "filthy or disgusting" I thought the atmosphere was upscale.

The last time I went to WhatTheBook in Itaewon I was greeted by a bilingual Korean staff member and readily offered assistance before I could even ask. I walked away from the store satisfied from receiving a good deal on a used Korean language textbook.

My experiences directly contradict the characterization of Itaewon as a cesspool, except one single experience: I came to Itaewon one night during the international food festival, in which food vendors of all stripes were set up everywhere. Being that there are no public waste baskets in Korea, plates, skewers, napkins, and half eaten food were thrown into corners or on top of garbage cans in the streets. I wasn't dissuaded from eating at the vendors however.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toby99 wrote:

Out of curiosity, how does the scene in Itaewon compare with Japan's western district of Roppongi? Ever visited?


I'm afraid that would be a complete apples & oranges comparison.

For a start, although Roppongi does happen to be popular with a number of foreigners for its nightlife, it is not Japan's (or even Tokyo's) "western district". Although there are a lot of bars aimed at the gaijin clientele, there are plenty more not aimed at foreigners at all. Roppongi is actually not that different to a number of other areas of Tokyo.

If you were drugged, blindfolded and dumped in Itaewon you'd probably know instantly where you were. Whereas you could land in Roppongi and, initially at least, easily enough mistake it for other areas of Tokyo that have high concentrations of bars and nightlife.

Roppongi is actually quite an upmarket area, both residentially and in terms of the various major companies that are based there. It really has very, very little in common with Itaewon other than the fact that it attracts some foreigners who want to drink or party.


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shostahoosier



Joined: 14 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

then what IS Tokyo's area for foreigners?

Most sites I've read say Roppongi...but reading never trumps being there.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shostahoosier wrote:
then what IS Tokyo's area for foreigners?

Most sites I've read say Roppongi...but reading never trumps being there.


I didn't say it wasn't Tokyo's area for foreigners, just that it wasn't Tokyo's "western district" in the way that Itaewon would be described as Seoul's "western district".

Roppongi definitely is an area popular with many foreigners for its nightlife. But you wouldn't go there rather than anywhere else for foreign food, foreign books, foreign run shops or foreign places of worship etc. in the way that many people would to Itaewon.

I don't think Tokyo has an Itaewon type area, to be honest. You can find most of what you'd go to Itaewon for in Tokyo, but you wouldn't necessarily go to Roppongi for it, nor to any specific area.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xuanzang wrote:
Should have seen it years ago. Now, it's been sanitized and gentrified.


+2

Much better back in the day (91~96).... Crying or Very sad
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zippie



Joined: 29 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is life in korea tougher than in america? it seems like there is more competition to make a living there. more politics. more underhandedness??
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uklathemock



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Itaewon is a cesspool Reply with quote

It's nothing compared to parts of downtown L.A. after midnight.

Have you seen "I Am Legend?"
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Itaewon is a cesspool Reply with quote

uklathemock wrote:
It's nothing compared to parts of downtown L.A. after midnight.

Have you seen "I Am Legend?"


Nah, but I have seen "Thundarr the Barbarian," which is obviously where you got your name, hehehehe.
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shostahoosier



Joined: 14 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

b-class rambler wrote:
shostahoosier wrote:
then what IS Tokyo's area for foreigners?

Most sites I've read say Roppongi...but reading never trumps being there.


I didn't say it wasn't Tokyo's area for foreigners, just that it wasn't Tokyo's "western district" in the way that Itaewon would be described as Seoul's "western district".

Roppongi definitely is an area popular with many foreigners for its nightlife. But you wouldn't go there rather than anywhere else for foreign food, foreign books, foreign run shops or foreign places of worship etc. in the way that many people would to Itaewon.

I don't think Tokyo has an Itaewon type area, to be honest. You can find most of what you'd go to Itaewon for in Tokyo, but you wouldn't necessarily go to Roppongi for it, nor to any specific area.


sorry, I wasnt asking that question as an attack on you...I was curious as I plan on visiting Tokyo next month.
Thanks for the info though!
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
Any place with diversity is going to be called a cesspool by haters. I feel they could had done much better with building a tourist zone considering the available money and resources.

I wish they would open up the whole street to make it a pedestrianized area instead of having the vendor carts and pedestrians crammed on the sidewalks. Move those vendor carts out into the street and have 1 small lane for motorcycles and vendor traffic. And then have a rotary in the intersection where Quiznos, Hard Rock Cafe, and Hamilton Hotel are with a taxi stand and airport bus stop oriented near the hotel, but no regular traffic from the hotel on down to the end of the street. Cobble stone the street, allow musicians and artists, and more entrepreneurial vendors. Even put up a nice fancy statue of King Sejong in the middle of said rotary and fixed up with high styling. Beautify and give the place an international theme to make it a destination. When they get Yongsan garrison back from the American Army, then they have that space to work with too which would be great for a cultural park that includes facilities like an IMAX, museum, and such. I have many ideas on how they could make a real tourist area out of it. They have a good place, they just need to rethink it. Also public trash bins and street cleaners are necessary where many people walk, eat, and play.


I agree the sidewalks end up being so narrow with all the carts all over the place. I believe the carts are technically illegal, but the police don't enforce the laws.

Personally I don't go hangout there often, maybe once or twice a year.
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joeheckel



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:02 am    Post subject: Itaewon isn't a true depiction of Korea or Seoul Reply with quote

For those of you calling Itaewon a cesspool, I would have to agree. I have been there a few times and each time I left asking myself why I even visited. There are better places to eat, shop, drink and meet women/men all over the place in Seoul without having to experience Itaewon. For those of you who are new to Korea, I guess it is a good place to go in order to communicate with people in English but otherwise, get out in the city and experience the true culture of Korea because Itaewon is not it!
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enerjohn



Joined: 07 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itaewon is a cesspool, all right. A cesspool of AWESOME.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: Itaewon isn't a true depiction of Korea or Seoul Reply with quote

joeheckel wrote:
For those of you calling Itaewon a cesspool, I would have to agree. I have been there a few times and each time I left asking myself why I even visited. There are better places to eat, shop, drink and meet women/men all over the place in Seoul without having to experience Itaewon. For those of you who are new to Korea, I guess it is a good place to go in order to communicate with people in English but otherwise, get out in the city and experience the true culture of Korea because Itaewon is not it!


We go to Itaewon because we experience the true culture of Korea at all other times. This is our little bit of home, even if it pales in comparison to the real thing. Of course, Korean culture does creep in, like when I go to a bakery that I know serves bread and jam for breakfast, because I receive a newsletter stating the new July special, and I go in during the set hours and the waitress doesn't know that they serve bread, and says that it's only take out, and even though the places is empty because it's early on a Sunday, they're too daft to realize that they should just serve the damned bread and pastries to the fairly large party that would generate business. But serving bread is "impossible" in a bakery, because the owner wasn't there to okay it. Where I'm from, people improvise. Here' not so much. I'm not hating, but I'm saying that in Itaewon you at least have a better chance of smart customer service. Clearly not always though! Laughing Okay I'm ranting because this happened today and I had friends visiting from out of town and they were really set on decent bread and hot cocoa for brunch.

But seriously, don't go if you don't like it. Enjoy only one culture's food every day for your stay. Never experience decent bread or cheese or hummus or falafel or sauerkraut or saag paneer or the many other things that you can pretty much only get there. Because kimchi should be in every meal you eat Rolling Eyes
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