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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Well they are currently drawing down and they'll be out by the end of August I believe. Not too bad if you ask me. |
My ass. 'Folks' that believe that are the same ones who bought the Hope/Change campaign. Vote for the best candidate.
One of my picks would be Ron Paul.
I've voted for Libs and Greens with a conscience my whole voting career.
Do we want a '2' party system forever? |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| kcs0001 wrote: |
| Questioning O'bama is racism pure and simple. |
Whatever, troll. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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You'll need a new forum subcategory to inventory Obama's broken promises.
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Is he the president? I can't tell. He never gives interviews, takes no questions, assumes no responsibility and merely reads from his teleprompter. He has distanced himself from the oil spill. It is as if the country is without a leader. . . America needs an actual leader right now. He needs to act like a man. Like he believes in something. . . He really needs to man the frack up and act right. |
Barrack Obama couldn't carry Ronald Reagan's jock strap. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| .38 Special wrote: |
You'll need a new forum subcategory to inventory Obama's broken promises.
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Is he the president? I can't tell. He never gives interviews, takes no questions, assumes no responsibility and merely reads from his teleprompter. He has distanced himself from the oil spill. It is as if the country is without a leader. . . America needs an actual leader right now. He needs to act like a man. Like he believes in something. . . He really needs to man the frack up and act right. |
Barrack Obama couldn't carry Ronald Reagan's jock strap. |
I understand the criticisms of Obama, but Ronald Reagan? One of the worst presidents we've ever had. Look at how much the debt and deficit rose during his terms, from 700 million to 3 trillion. Not to even mention his foreign policy that resulted in the United States supporting mass killings in several countries, including backing terrorist groups. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| I understand the criticisms of Obama, but Ronald Reagan? One of the worst presidents we've ever had. Look at how much the debt and deficit rose during his terms, from 700 million to 3 trillion. Not to even mention his foreign policy that resulted in the United States supporting mass killings in several countries, including backing terrorist groups. |
And how can you leave out the October surprise and Iran-Contra?
I used to think he was the worst pres ever, but then Bush came along. Unfortunately now, Obama may outdo them all. Maybe it is just a normal progression for each one to get worse regardless of party? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| I understand the criticisms of Obama, but Ronald Reagan? One of the worst presidents we've ever had. Look at how much the debt and deficit rose during his terms, from 700 million to 3 trillion. Not to even mention his foreign policy that resulted in the United States supporting mass killings in several countries, including backing terrorist groups. |
And how can you leave out the October surprise and Iran-Contra?
I used to think he was the worst pres ever, but then Bush came along. Unfortunately now, Obama may outdo them all. Maybe it is just a normal progression for each one to get worse regardless of party? |
How do the first Bush and Clinton measure up to Reagan and Bush? I know you think they're all about the same, but just curious if you think they fit your progression. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| I understand the criticisms of Obama, but Ronald Reagan? One of the worst presidents we've ever had. Look at how much the debt and deficit rose during his terms, from 700 million to 3 trillion. Not to even mention his foreign policy that resulted in the United States supporting mass killings in several countries, including backing terrorist groups. |
And how can you leave out the October surprise and Iran-Contra?
I used to think he was the worst pres ever, but then Bush came along. Unfortunately now, Obama may outdo them all. Maybe it is just a normal progression for each one to get worse regardless of party? |
Your and my positions are generally opposite, but you just may be onto something there. The idea deserves thought. My hat's off to you, sir. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| I understand the criticisms of Obama, but Ronald Reagan? One of the worst presidents we've ever had. Look at how much the debt and deficit rose during his terms, from 700 million to 3 trillion. Not to even mention his foreign policy that resulted in the United States supporting mass killings in several countries, including backing terrorist groups. |
And how can you leave out the October surprise and Iran-Contra?
I used to think he was the worst pres ever, but then Bush came along. Unfortunately now, Obama may outdo them all. Maybe it is just a normal progression for each one to get worse regardless of party? |
How do the first Bush and Clinton measure up to Reagan and Bush? I know you think they're all about the same, but just curious if you think they fit your progression. |
Let's say it is an approximate progression and not an absolute one. There can be the occasional blip here and there. George the First was just a continuation of Reagan, and Clinton was probably a minor up-blip, although I have some real problems with him. Not Monicagate either, that was totally uncalled for. (Actually, I kinda liked him for that!  ) I really hate him for his wars and ending the 800-year tradition of habeas corpus, but at least he balanced the budget.
Of course, George the Second was a new low, and while it may be too early to make the definitive judgment, I think most people agree that BO stinks.
| ReeseDog wrote: |
| Your and my positions are generally opposite, but you just may be onto something there. The idea deserves thought. My hat's off to you, sir. |
Thanks. And if the truth be known, I have always liked your dog. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Thanks. And if the truth be known, I have always liked your dog. |
Bow wow wow yippe yo yippe yay...
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Thanks. And if the truth be known, I have always liked your dog. |
Bow wow wow yippe yo yippe yay...
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...and what I mean to say by all that is that I respect your intelligent discourse and often thought-provoking opinion. I don't often agree with you, but should I find myself wondering why, I have to strain the brain to reseat myself.
Should we ever meet, brother, the beer is on me. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| ReeseDog wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Thanks. And if the truth be known, I have always liked your dog. |
Bow wow wow yippe yo yippe yay...
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...and what I mean to say by all that is that I respect your intelligent discourse and often thought-provoking opinion. I don't often agree with you, but should I find myself wondering why, I have to strain the brain to reseat myself.
Should we ever meet, brother, the beer is on me. |
I'll say "Woof, woof" to that  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Michael Steele is evidently pretty eager to get out at least.
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WASHINGTON � Republican chairman Michael Steele drew criticism from within his own party Friday, including calls to resign, after saying the 9-year-old commitment of U.S. troops to Afghanistan was a mistaken "war of Obama's choosing."
As criticism swelled, Steele issued a statement stressing his support for U.S. troops, but he did not acknowledge his factual error about a war launched by former President George W. Bush in response to the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. A senior official in Bush's administration said it would be impossible for the Republican National Committee to speak with credibility on foreign policy if Steele remained chairman.
For Democrats, looking at a difficult environment ahead of November's midterm elections, the gaffe was an opportunity to test their strategy of attacking the GOP with its members' own words.
Conservative Bill Kristol, writing for The Weekly Standard, was among the first to say Steele should resign.
"There are, of course, those who think we should pull out of Afghanistan, and they're certainly entitled to make their case," wrote Kristol, a consistent supporter of the Afghanistan war. "But one of them shouldn't be the chairman of the Republican Party."
In remarks captured Thursday on camera and posted online, Steele criticized President Barack Obama and his handling of the Afghan war and suggested the war cannot be won.
"If he's such a student of history, has he not understood that, you know, that's the one thing you don't do is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right? Because everyone who's tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed," Steele said. "And there are reasons for that. There are other ways to engage in Afghanistan."
Republican officials confirmed Steele made the comments at a Connecticut fundraiser, which was closed to the news media. The remarks, at odds with members of the Republican Party, were caught on camera and posted on the Internet.
"This was a war of Obama's choosing," Steele said. "This is not something the United States has actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in."
The United States and allies overthrew Afghanistan's Taliban government after the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington. The war lagged as the United States shifted its focus to Iraq, but Obama shifted the focus to Afghanistan and planned to send 30,000 more troops to the country.
Dan Senor, who was an adviser to Bush and the provisional governments in Iraq, said that Steele was wrong to combine politics with foreign policy and that he would no longer attend a scheduled foreign policy event with Republican donors in coming weeks.
"I think as far as Republican and conservative foreign policy experts and advisers, I don't see how they can be associated with the RNC or with Steele in any meaningful way after he says something like this," said Senor, who weighed a U.S. Senate run from New York state.
"There's no way I can."
Looking to mitigate the political fallout, Steele issued a statement saying, "There is no question that America must win the war on terror. ... And, for the sake of the security of the free world, our country must give our troops the support necessary to win this war."
He said, "The stakes are too high for us to accept anything but success in Afghanistan." |
I don't even know what to say. Sometimes it's like he's a Democrat plant in the Republican party. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ Kristol is leading the charge to have him kicked out. Mike apparently didn't get the memo about message discipline. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Not entirely in line with this thread, but:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/books/review/Kinsley-t.html?pagewanted=3
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| Bush regards the missing W.M.D. as an intelligence failure. He doesn�t say whether in his mind the failure was in concluding that they existed, or in not finding them. But it�s clear in this book that he was hoping to find them, and was bitterly frustrated when we didn�t. Bush writes, �The reality was that I had sent American troops into combat based in large part on intelligence that proved false.� |
From a review of the recent book by GWB. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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