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Billy Danze
Joined: 25 Oct 2009
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 Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: How successful are these recruiting agencies? |
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I spoke to my principal and he told me the fees for 3 different recruiting agencies he's been speaking with about finding a replacement for me. The 3 prices were 1 million, 1.2 million and 1.5 million for finding a SINGLE teacher.
Now, I don't know about you guys, but I had a lot of trouble with my recruiter who's English was disgraceful which led to his instructions on what I needed to do for my paperwork to get messed up and the visa process took longer than it should have.
Korean teachers at my school speak better English than the recruiters who contacted me, and from what I've heard other people have had similar bad experiences.
So what's the catch? Why doesn't a school just pay the fee to post an ad on various sites ($50-100 for a few days to have it up there?) and take care of the recruiting job themselves with the help of a native English teacher? Surely the work the recruiter does from the time the person signs the contract to when they get to Korea can't be worth 1-1.5 million, so what the hell is the catch?
I'd do a much better job at it than some of these clowns, and I'm sure it would be very comforting for the person coming here getting advice on what to do, and honest advice about the city, school, country, etc. from someone who has been there and done that.
Is this just one of those things that doesn't make sense here and that's that? |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Two reasons that I know of.
First, recruiters are experts at what they do. Getting everything around for an E-2 isn't easy. You said you have a principal, so that makes me think you're at a public school. The teachers are way too busy to worry about it. Frankly, it's worth paying the money rather than dealing with the headache yourself.
The other reason is that recruiters give a guarantee on their teachers. Meaning, if the new teacher doesn't pan out, the recruiter will get the school a new teacher, for no additional charge. The big difference between recruiters is the amount they charge and the length of time they guarantee their teachers. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| I had a lot of trouble with my recruiter who's English was disgraceful |
I don't pick people up on these things normally (it is an internet forum and everything) unless the mistakes appear ironically in sentences like this. Also, Korean adults generally start studying relative pronouns at intermediate level so it could be relevant quite early on.
'whose', not 'who's' |
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tsteele
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| I had a lot of trouble with my recruiter who's English was disgraceful |
I don't pick people up on these things normally (it is an internet forum and everything) unless the mistakes appear ironically in sentences like this. Also, Korean adults generally start studying relative pronouns at intermediate level so it could be relevant quite early on.
'whose', not 'who's' |
There should be a comma after your closing parenthesis  |
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Billy Danze
Joined: 25 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Two reasons that I know of.
First, recruiters are experts at what they do. Getting everything around for an E-2 isn't easy. You said you have a principal, so that makes me think you're at a public school. The teachers are way too busy to worry about it. Frankly, it's worth paying the money rather than dealing with the headache yourself.
The other reason is that recruiters give a guarantee on their teachers. Meaning, if the new teacher doesn't pan out, the recruiter will get the school a new teacher, for no additional charge. The big difference between recruiters is the amount they charge and the length of time they guarantee their teachers. |
No, I'm at a hagwon.
They can be an expert at what they do once all the right stuff is in place, but if they're unable to communicate with the prospective teacher in a proper way to make sure they get to that point, then it takes away from that.
Interesting, didn't know that about the guarantee. Still, seems like it would be at least easier for the school, if they have 200+ branches throughout the country, to have recruiters as a part of their company instead of going outside all the time. I tried having a conversation about this with my principal, but perhaps the language barrier was too much and he couldn't explain it to me. However, he didn't know how little it would cost him to post an ad about the opening on one of the many websites out there. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| There should be a comma after your closing parenthesis |
Yes, and there should be a full stop after your waste of a post. |
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tsteele
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| There should be a comma after your closing parenthesis |
Yes, and there should be a full stop after your waste of a post. |
The smiley was the full-stop. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: |
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OP the simple answer is schools have no time to sift through the applications, run the interviews and place the adds in numerous places.
It is more efficient to hire a recruiter.
Did you know that on average, a recruiter goes through 8-12 applicants to place one teacher. Thats not counting those applicants who accept a job and then change their minds at the last second. Its no walk in the park.
Are you willing to do that?
You would need to manage the reception of the application documents, review these documents, schedule interviews, run the interviews, evaluate the applicants....
The point made before about visa applications is valid. How much do you know about the visa process? Where to send the documents, which documents to send?
It is not rocket science but its no piece of cake either. |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: Re: How successful are these recruiting agencies? |
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| Billy Danze wrote: |
| I'd do a much better job at it than some of these clowns |
Silly Billy....you're not nearly a good enough liar to be a recruiter.
The truth is that most hagwons will give you a few hundred bucks to find them a new teacher, maybe even 5 or 6 hundred. One of the hagwons I worked at way back when offered us 700 per teacher....BUT we would have had to pay for the ads ourselves and trust that we'd find someone. The risk/reward wasn't worth it....but I wouldn't be surprised if you asked your school that they would pay you a few hundred to find them a teacher, but remember that you'd just be getting the finders fee portion as the school would have to do all of the immigration and paperwork stuff. |
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Reise-ohne-Ende
Joined: 07 Sep 2009
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This is completely irrelevant, but I just want to say...
There's no need for a comma before 'unless'. |
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