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Whats with the no parental leave in the USA??
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:06 am    Post subject: Whats with the no parental leave in the USA?? Reply with quote

So whats so good about living in THE OLE US OF A????

seems to me, that the title of being AN AMERICAN is way over rated!
the government treats its citizens like crap, high taxes! over priced medical care! and no real benefits for the people..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave#Americas

check out USA... 0

hahahaha 3rd world african countries have better care than the so called number 1 country in the world...
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conrad2



Joined: 05 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parental leave is not mandated by the federal or state governments, but that doesnt mean that companies dont offer it. Also there is no law that states companies must give mandatory 5 or 6 weeks vacation time as you see in Europe. But American workers get vacation notheless.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:56 am    Post subject: Re: Whats with the no parental leave in the USA?? Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
So whats so good about living in THE OLE US OF A????

seems to me, that the title of being AN AMERICAN is way over rated!
the government treats its citizens like crap, high taxes! over priced medical care! and no real benefits for the people..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave#Americas

check out USA... 0

hahahaha 3rd world african countries have better care than the so called number 1 country in the world...


You make it sound so horrific, and objectively it may be. However, I haven't heard many complainers in my own experience, outside of the service sector. There are plenty of problems, but with all the resources the US has, I think it's mostly temporal and political. I think if people were to go ballz out and up their own productivity and personal responsibility in the world of work, the US would be something fierce. Just needs some restructuring and accountability is all.
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mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

am back in the US on vacation now.

two hour trip to emergency room cost? ("anxiety attack" in retrospect)

10,000 US $.

of course, i have no "stateside" insurance.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love being American. Sure, there are some issues, but I wouldn't trade it for anything short of my own island nation.

Mind you, we don't usually use AN when saying American.

"I am American." Not "I'm an American."

Sometimes it's the case, but for the most part, we leave AN out.

Also, what hospital charged you $10,000 for a 2 hour anxiety stay? Trump Medical? Laughing I remember having my first migraine about 8 years ago, during an insurance lapse. I had no idea what it was. I was there for hours, and had treatment, and it was only $1,500.
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The Goalie



Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Location: Chungcheongnamdo

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care about countries so much. I just wish I belonged to a different species.
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is so delicious



Joined: 28 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew... another one of THESE threads...
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Quack Addict



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife is South African and thought the U.S. was overrated until we lived there. Now she loves it and can't wait to move back. While there are alot of perks that aren't across the board for everyone like paternity leave....many companies offer this to their employees.

My friends wife got 90 days paid leave after her baby was born. I believe its a case by case situation. The good outweighs the bad when it comes to living in the U.S. if you look at the big picture.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYC_Gal wrote:
I was there for hours, and had treatment, and it was only $1,500.


ONLY, 1500 dollars Shocked where I am from! It's FREE! how it should be!

Quack Addict wrote:
My wife is South African and thought the U.S. was overrated until we lived there. Now she loves it and can't wait to move back. While there are alot of perks that aren't across the board for everyone like paternity leave....many companies offer this to their employees.

My friends wife got 90 days paid leave after her baby was born. I believe its a case by case situation. The good outweighs the bad when it comes to living in the U.S. if you look at the big picture.


when comparing it to south Africa, sure it's bloody Disneyland!

but lets compare America with the rest of the OECD
for a country which likes to give it self the the number 1 title!
I really don't think it is... I think its following way behind the rest of the world, and hanging onto its days of glory!
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laguna



Joined: 27 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quack Addict wrote:
My wife is South African and thought the U.S. was overrated until we lived there. Now she loves it and can't wait to move back. While there are alot of perks that aren't across the board for everyone like paternity leave....many companies offer this to their employees.

My friends wife got 90 days paid leave after her baby was born. I believe its a case by case situation. The good outweighs the bad when it comes to living in the U.S. if you look at the big picture.


I've come to this conclusion over my years of traveling the world as well

If they finally legalize marijuana, I'll have no reason not to go back lol
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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
NYC_Gal wrote:
I was there for hours, and had treatment, and it was only $1,500.


ONLY, 1500 dollars Shocked where I am from! It's FREE! how it should be!



Really? It's free? How much would you be paying in taxes if you lived in your home country (care to name which country)?

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the government treats its citizens like crap, high taxes! over priced medical care! and no real benefits for the people..


I'm willing to bet the average US citizen pays less taxes then the average citizen in your home country.
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NYC_Gal



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, $1,500 isn't chump change for many people, but it's not going to break the bank. It was annoying, but it's far less than $10,000, and my taxes were fairly low. How high are taxes where YOU'RE from? The average salary for an entry level job? Hmmm. A grand doesn't hurt as much where I'm from, it seems.

I also had no wait whatsoever to see a doctor.

Also, maybe you've heard about the new health care legislation in the states? It's kind of a big deal right now.
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laguna



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, just for the record, there is parental leave in the US of A

It's called the FMLA (family medical leave act) and you get 90 days of unpaid leave.

For the record, I don't think it should even exist. I worked at a small company where the comptroller got pregnant and the company almost went out of business when she went on leave because she was so integral to the company.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The parental leave issue is a big deal to many young couples thinking of having kids.

I have to say that in many parts of Canada, the system is excellent.

I think the best system is in the province of Quebec (from what I read). Ontario does rather well too.

From what I read and from what friends in the Q told me, women get 50 weeks of maternity leave. This leave is compensated at 70% of their income for the first portion of the leave and eventually drops to 55%. They also have daycares at 7$ per day and these, while hard to get into offer a great environment for kids (from what my friends say). These are social choices the population makes of course. They trade higher taxes for better public services.

Where we live, daycare costs roughly 25$ per day. Were we to have another child it would cost us nothing in medical fees and my wife would get some paid maternity leave. I think this is a smart choice over the long run. I think healthcare should be free when it comes to essential things.

Healthcare being free also is something we as a family appreciate in Canada. I put free in italics because we do pay for healthcare through higher taxes but at the end of the day it is something I would not trade.

The US Healthcare reform is tailored on the American system. For the most part it is NOT universal healthcare but rather it aims at offer better insured coverage to Americans, mostly to those who have jobs. Healthcare costs for major surgeries will still be prohibitively expensive for most of the population and not all that well covered by insurance. It is their choice and their view of healthcare. I still think the reform was well overdue.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oskinny1 wrote:
itaewonguy wrote:
NYC_Gal wrote:
I was there for hours, and had treatment, and it was only $1,500.


ONLY, 1500 dollars Shocked where I am from! It's FREE! how it should be!



Really? It's free? How much would you be paying in taxes if you lived in your home country (care to name which country)?

Quote:
the government treats its citizens like crap, high taxes! over priced medical care! and no real benefits for the people..


I'm willing to bet the average US citizen pays less taxes then the average citizen in your home country.


New Zealand
Main article: Health care in New Zealand
In New Zealand hospitals are public and treat citizens or permanent residents free of charge and are managed by District Health Boards. Under the Labour coalition governments (1999�2008), there were plans to make primary health care available free of charge. At present government subsidies exist in health care. The cost of visiting a GP ranges from Free to $45.00 for children and from Free to $75.00 for adults under the current subsidies. This system is funded by taxes. The New Zealand government agency PHARMAC subsidizes certain pharmaceuticals depending upon their category. Co-payments exist, however these are lower if the user has a Community Services Card or High User Health Card. In 2005, New Zealand spent 8.9% of GDP on health care, or US$2,403 per capita. Of that, approximately 77% was government expenditure


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system

regarding the taxes..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world
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