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mc_jc
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 Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:54 am Post subject: East Sea? East of What? |
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I was sitting here at Bagram AFB at the burger bar when I struck up a conversation with several cartographers. One of them had worked at the FED compound near Dongdaemun with the geology agency and we both started talking about Korea.
The conversation turned to the issue of the East Sea. The first question we asked each other was "East of what...?"
Then he told me how much political pressure was put on them to use "The East Sea" instead of "Sea of Japan".
My question is; why does it matter? |
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BigBuds
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Becuase Korea is the center of the universe. |
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mc_jc
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:37 am Post subject: |
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I thought that was China  |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:00 am Post subject: |
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동해 in English is translated exactly as "East Sea". It is not "일본해". The original name of the sea was "East Sea". Japan arbitrarily changed the name to "The Sea of Japan" during their occupation of Korea.
Korea would like the original name of the body of water restored.
Is that too hard to understand for you? |
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curiousaboutkorea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| The Gulf of Mexico ought to be changed to The Southeast Gulf. |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:07 am Post subject: Re: East Sea? East of What? |
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| mc_jc wrote: |
I was sitting here at Bagram AFB at the burger bar when I struck up a conversation with several cartographers. One of them had worked at the FED compound near Dongdaemun with the geology agency and we both started talking about Korea.
The conversation turned to the issue of the East Sea. The first question we asked each other was "East of what...?"
Then he told me how much political pressure was put on them to use "The East Sea" instead of "Sea of Japan".
My question is; why does it matter? |
I suppose it's because Korea is small and doesn't have much to lay claim to. |
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oskinny1
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| I think we should change the USA's name to Beautiful Country. I am no longer American, I'm Beautiful. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: Re: East Sea? East of What? |
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| mc_jc wrote: |
I was sitting here at Bagram AFB at the burger bar when I struck up a conversation with several cartographers. One of them had worked at the FED compound near Dongdaemun with the geology agency and we both started talking about Korea.
The conversation turned to the issue of the East Sea. The first question we asked each other was "East of what...?"
Then he told me how much political pressure was put on them to use "The East Sea" instead of "Sea of Japan".
My question is; why does it matter? |
I suppose that you could say it is east of mainland Asia. Of course, this only makes sense as long as you exclude Russia. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
동해 in English is translated exactly as "East Sea". It is not "일본해". The original name of the sea was "East Sea". Japan arbitrarily changed the name to "The Sea of Japan" during their occupation of Korea.
Korea would like the original name of the body of water restored.
Is that too hard to understand for you? |
Indeed.
Not that hard to understand at all.
It will be hard to get the change however as that particular body of water has been internationally called the Sea of Japan for a long time now.
Some people sure work hard not to understand why this claim is made. It is far easier to mock Korea on this one and has the added bonus of feeding the bash and whine machine here at Daves.  |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Let's get some real names. Both America and China need to brush up their image, nothing like some re-branding.
America: Undisputed Number 1 since 1992. And gosh darnit we're going to gonna do it again in 2010. Bring it.
China: Number 1 Contender, Heavyweight Division.
Korea: We got S(e)oul.
Because the constant barrage of weirdness Japan should be known simply as "WTF"
The Gulf of Mexico: BP's Mess.
And the Indian Ocean should be the Sri Lankan Ocean. If you're an island, you should have naming rights on the body of water that surrounds you. Ahem Korea.
And of course Canada: America, Jr.
I kid I kid Canucks. |
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BigBuds
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| mc_jc wrote: |
| I thought that was China |
Not if you're Korean . |
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mayorgc
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
동해 in English is translated exactly as "East Sea". It is not "일본해". The original name of the sea was "East Sea". Japan arbitrarily changed the name to "The Sea of Japan" during their occupation of Korea.
Korea would like the original name of the body of water restored.
Is that too hard to understand for you? |
Nowhere in the world is that body of water called 일본해. In Japan, it's called にほんかい and in English speaking countries, it's the Sea of Japan. The original name in Korea was 동해, and the current name in Korea is also 동해.
The original name of the body of water has already been restored in Korea. |
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mc_jc
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:02 am Post subject: |
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This reminds me too much of the dispute between the use on maps of the name "The Arabian Gulf" or simply "The Gulf" by Arab countries and "Persian Gulf" by Iran and the rest of the world.
It comes down to; what's in a name? |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| mayorgc wrote: |
Nowhere in the world is that body of water called 일본해. In Japan, it's called にほんかい and in English speaking countries, it's the Sea of Japan. The original name in Korea was 동해, and the current name in Korea is also 동해.
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Why didn't you put in the translations of the names that you used? If you HAD actually put in translation of those Japanese and Korean names your statement would have read something like this:
Nowhere in the world is that body of water called the "Sea of Japan". In Japan, it's called "The Sea of Japan" and in English speaking countries, it's the Sea of Japan.
So unless you are claiming that "the world" is only comprised of Korea, then your argument doesn't really hold water. Or did you simply mean that no country outside of Korea writes the name of the sea as "일본해" (Korea = "Sea of Japan") - i.e. no one uses the Korean alphabet and language to write the name of this sea?
It might be worth noting that Russia also calls it the Sea of Japan (Японское море) and THEY also have a fair bit of its coast line.
The Chinese also call it the Sea of Japan and they don't exactly like the Japanese either. Although, for them the "East Sea" is what we call the "East China Sea".
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The original name of the body of water has already been restored in Korea. |
Maybe the original KOREAN name has been restored IN KOREA, but can you show us how the current Korean name of East Sea (동해) is THE earliest known name used by anyone for that body of water? |
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PatrickGHBusan
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Maybe this will help:
http://www.fact-index.com/d/di/dispute_over_the_name_sea_of_japan.html
Some information on that factsheet type webpage.
This is also interesting:
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/eastsea.htm
Quote from that site:
Before the 18th century, no one name was consistently used, and in fact varied names such as "East Sea," "Sea of Korea," "Sea of Japan" and "Oriental Sea" appeared in and on old maps, publications and atlases. Then for a variety of reasons the "Sea of Japan" became more prominent in the 19th and 20th centuries.
Each country (Korea and Japan) has some facts to back up their claim.
Simplest solution seems to be to put both names on maps. |
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