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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Mankind wrote: |
Thanks Gord, you just saved me some time. Wylde see what Gord wrote.
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saw it and raped it..
how bout this guys money? what happens if ya told him to wait and there is a hassle? would you even feel bad? |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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saw it and raped it..
how bout this guys money? what happens if ya told him to wait and there is a hassle? would you even feel bad? |
There was no rape of the message. Your entire post was "well, it doesn't apply because it might not apply because it may or may not be the same circumstance and I don't actually understand what I'm talking about or how it relates but if I did I would clearly know why it did or did not relate because I would be the master of all things legal, so it matters not that I don't actually understand what I'm talking about."
That, and you are clinging to the idea that money may run out which is not relevant to the protections the worker gets.
Finally, two people who know the laws are telling you, someone who is vaguely aware that laws may or may not exist, that you are in the wrong and going off on tangents. |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| wylde wrote: |
saw it and raped it..
how bout this guys money? what happens if ya told him to wait and there is a hassle? would you even feel bad? |
There was no rape of the message. Your entire post was "well, it doesn't apply because it might not apply because it may or may not be the same circumstance and I don't actually understand what I'm talking about or how it relates but if I did I would clearly know why it did or did not relate because I would be the master of all things legal, so it matters not that I don't actually understand what I'm talking about."
That, and you are clinging to the idea that money may run out which is not relevant to the protections the worker gets. |
i am simply giving this guy ideas.. sometimes things go wrong and i for 1 would feel bad if i told him to do something because of what usually happens but didnt happen for him. and he gets screwed over by being stuck without food, job or house... avoidance of the real issue and talking shit is not impressive.
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| That, and two people who know the laws are telling you, someone who is vaguely aware that laws may or may not exist, that you are in the wrong and going off on tangents |
this is what i mean..  he is worried about getting the sack cuz he has no cash to keep him going. how does anything you or mankind say help the op with this problem? quoting a bunch of laws and saying how smart you are doesnt feed or shelter this guy |
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| i am simply giving this guy ideas.. sometimes things go wrong and i for 1 would feel bad if i told him to do something because of what usually happens but didnt happen for him. and he gets screwed over by being stuck without food, job or house... avoidance of the real issue and talking *beep* is not impressive. |
Really? Lets look at your idea.
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| sometimes it is better to bite the bullet, count your losses and quit |
Good one. He's low on funds and your advice? Don't try to get what you're owed.
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| don't fool yourself.. there is no labor law to cover you |
You seem to have backed off this one now. You just don't like how it works.
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| how does anything you or mankind say help the op with this problem? quoting a bunch of laws and saying how smart you are doesnt feed or shelter this guy |
I was wondering the samething about your ideas. Oh thats right you think he should swim home and if he makes it, mommy and daddy will care for him. Good plan.
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| Mankind wrote: |
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| i am simply giving this guy ideas.. sometimes things go wrong and i for 1 would feel bad if i told him to do something because of what usually happens but didnt happen for him. and he gets screwed over by being stuck without food, job or house... avoidance of the real issue and talking *beep* is not impressive. |
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| Really? Lets look at your idea. |
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| sometimes it is better to bite the bullet, count your losses and quit |
no mate - you are being stupid now
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| sometimes it is better to bite the bullet, count your losses and quit or run after payday. |
is what is written on page 1... i never suggested the stupidity you typed next
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| Good one. He's low on funds and your advice? Don't try to get what you're owed. |
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| don't fool yourself.. there is no labor law to cover you |
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| You seem to have backed off this one now. You just don't like how it works. |
ok.  that wasnt meant to come out like that. i knew there were processes in place to retrieve lost earnings and i'm man enough to say i didn't really know how they worked except that they were not instant... but, what i said was spose to mean there was absobloodylutley nothing he could do immediately.
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| how does anything you or mankind say help the op with this problem? quoting a bunch of laws and saying how smart you are doesnt feed or shelter this guy |
lets see what jack wrote.
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| I would, but unfortunately my cashflow situation at present basically means that if I'm fired on the spot I am severely screwed. I can't afford my own plane ticket home and would have barely enough cash to stuff myself into a goshiwon for a few days and try and find the first available job. |
then you to me.
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| I was wondering the samething about your ideas. Oh thats right you think he should swim home and if he makes it, mommy and daddy will care for him. Good plan. |
now.... this depends on a lot of things...
nothing, i repeat, nothing you have said in this thread has covered the time in between job and money.
i will give that if he was able to magically land a job in that short time things may be different and your advice would be useful but unless that happens, somebody lends him money or he can hold the job for another month or 2 and save some cash what you are saying is worthless
if he took my advice, he would have a plane ticket and enough money to see him through until then. without question.
if he took your advice, he would have to hope the boss gave him some money if any, a letter of release and he would have to fend for himself for the barest minimum of 15 days to receive any money. if things go south, he may have to wait a lot longer or if there is something we don't know about... he may not even get it at all...
so, following your advice would more than likely lead to him sleeping in the gutter, eating kimchi vomit and there is a chance for even this...
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| he should swim home and if he makes it, mommy and daddy will care for him. Good plan. |
now thats a good plan!
for about the 5th time i will ask you... what guarantees will you offer that he gets the money in 15 days or at all??? this would be useful to him as he could then try to make some alternative arrangements for the 2 weeks in between, knowing for certain that money is coming and when.
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| i will give that if he was able to magically land a job in that short time things may be different and your advice would be useful |
How can you not get a job in Korea quickly? Teach a few privates for a couple weeks (lots of people need short term replacements). Or Just go do like a dozen interviews over a couple days and pick the best. Not that hard.
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| what guarantees will you offer that he gets the money in 15 days or at all?? |
15 days none. The owner might try to fight it (likely not) and it'll take an extra week or so. Get the money in the end absolutely. IT'S THE LAW.
As long as his work situation is fairly average (normal) he's set. And from what the OP has stated, he's set.
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| Mankind wrote: |
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| i will give that if he was able to magically land a job in that short time things may be different and your advice would be useful |
How can you not get a job in Korea quickly? Teach a few privates for a couple weeks (lots of people need short term replacements). Or Just go do like a dozen interviews over a couple days and pick the best. Not that hard.
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| what guarantees will you offer that he gets the money in 15 days or at all?? |
15 days none. The owner might try to fight it (likely not) and it'll take an extra week or so. Get the money in the end absolutely. IT'S THE LAW.
As long as his work situation is fairly average (normal) he's set. And from what the OP has stated, he's set.
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ok.. that is still a 'maybe' senario. if he is in seoul it will be easier but if he is in hickville it might be very difficult and he could spent his bucks faster travelling to interviews.
if it is understood that everything he has said to be true and complete you are 100% positive he can get a months pay?
and you are absolutely positive he can get this money in a 6 week period (i'll say 6 weeks to go to the extreme) even if his boss makes up false accusations (such as theft) and gets his wife to be a witness to them?
what about the letter of release? can that be forced out too? and how long will that take?
will he be able to extend his 2 week grace period on his visa until this has been resolved? how much will that cost?
20 questions i know but i consider this kind of information vital to somebody weighing up spending a few weeks in the gutter and maybe still not having a way to get home or staying in motels for a week and flying home in comfort.
anything else that would help this guy (& others in the same situation) that i havent asked would certainly be useful. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| and then a tirade of hypotheticals which were not part of the original claims and making summary conclusions as to what the legal result would be without having a grasp of what is or is not legal. |
I hope that you aren't promoting yourself as a legal wizard. You have made some dubious comments on the law in previous posts. Still, at least you can say you were schooled by someone who knows something about the subject. |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:59 am Post subject: |
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mankind.. you bailed on this thread without answering the questions i asked... it would be ok but for 2 reasons...
1) you claim you know more than i when it comes to helping someone in this situation...
2) you accuse me of being shown up in this thread.. i can't work that 1 out... |
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| if it is understood that everything he has said to be true and complete you are 100% positive he can get a months pay? |
As I've stated like 5 times YES.
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and you are absolutely positive he can get this money in a 6 week period (i'll say 6 weeks to go to the extreme) even if his boss makes up false accusations (such as theft) and gets his wife to be a witness to them? |
In 99% of all cases yes. The owner can make a big stink if they want but it can get expensive for them. You could have to file a civil suit in some cases. A civil suit costs you no money to do and you will get fully paid. THey happen reasonably fast. No 1 year waiting period. Basically the labour board usually sides with employees. They've heard all the 'theft' accusations before. You got a police report?
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what about the letter of release? can that be forced out too? and how long will that take?
will he be able to extend his 2 week grace period on his visa until this has been resolved? how much will that cost? |
This is immigration not the labour board. The 2 are not connected yet (although there is a proposal by immigration to link the 2 so thast they can track illegals. LB is against that, they don't share that info with immigration about visa status). He may have to visit a couple of different officers as some are real pricks about giving them out (even though they have to). Nothing with immigration is guareted. Before he gets the release he is still on visa and has no worries about leaving. Best bet is to hunt down a job than. If you have another lined up, the release letter is usually very fast. No cost. Just new visa costs (which hogwans pickup).
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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thats useful information. any chance it would go over 6 weeks?
if he can get some money saved or borrow some, it may be worth his while to follow up with you if he does get the sack on the spot...
i know what i'd do if i felt it coming and i was financially embarressed. i could get by.. i have a bunch of friends that would help me out but if i didnt and somebody with evidence told me what the boss's plan was... i would abscond for sure.
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Ya it could go over 6 weeks. There is always a chance. But 80-90% of cases end with a phone call. Only 1-2% ever need a civil case.
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By the way I'm not the one to call. I just help pnce in a while when they need a 'foreign' perspective or to edit. Call the Labour board or the help line. Sorry don't have the numbers ready. Easy to find here though. |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, the reason its more than "just a rumour" is because the teacher that told me only works there part time. Basically, she works full-time at another school in the mornings then works part-time at mine at night. She was essentially offered my job. It was like, "Quit your other school and work here full-time, we're going to fire Jack." But she declined because the contract they offered her was apparently a joke because she's Phillipino-American. Also, the other full-time teacher whose contract just came up, was asked to re-sign, which she was willing to do, but wanted to renegotiate hours and pay and such. According to her, the renegoiations showed a completely different side of the director and things got pretty ugly with her ultimately choosing not to resign. |
This may be totally redundant, because I couldn't be assed to read the preceding labour law debate, but ...
It sounds to me like your boss is just trying to cut some salary. He wants to fire you and pick up a Philipina at far lower wages, as opposed to him having a problem with the work you do. I know you said the guy doesn't need to worry about money, but there's probably a reason for that. Maybe your (fulltime) coworker's run in with your boss is what the guy is really like when it comes to the bottom line.
At any rate, follow the first rule of working in a hagwon. Don't take any of it personally.
ps. You probably don't need to hear this now, but it's always good policy to keep enough money around to get out of town when you figure out you're being screwed. |
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