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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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"Even if there had been convergence of a pale version of the parents' genes, there would have to be some form of white ancestry on both sides for the baby to look this way."
No s**t.  The parents are Nigerian - quite a few Nigerians have white ancestary somewhere down the line. They even have pure white Nigerians living in the Akwa Ibom/Delta area. |
Yes, but are they actually white as in not albino? As I recall, the rate of albinism is actually highest in Africa.
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Konglishman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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By PROF BRYAN SYKES
Oxford University
THIS sounds a very unusual case. Quite extraordinary.
All skin and eye colour are controlled by the pigment melanin.
And there are about a dozen genes that control the amount or type of melanin.
Even if there had been convergence of a pale version of the parents' genes, there would have to be some form of white ancestry on both sides for the baby to look this way.
As albinoism has been ruled out, it is more likely that there has been some other mutation that's happened to produce this colouring.
Without further tests, that is, in my opinion, the most rational explanation. |
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3060907/Black-parents-give-birth-to-white-baby.html
So, it appears that the expert opinion concurs with my second idea. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I guess there are two possibilities.
First, somewhere in their ancestry, there were some caucasian people involved. But given that it appears the couple or their recent ancestry is only recently from Africa, this must be exceedingly unusual.
Second, this could be an incredibly rare mutation that causes a black person's baby to have the pigmentation of a caucasian without actually being albino. Possibly, this is how caucasian people originally came into existence. |
Maybe three: switched at birth?
Anyway, why are the doctors so sure the baby is not albino? And I'd compare the DNA.
(And for the record, I was nowhere near that woman!   ) |
I would be very surprised if a black woman could not remember giving birth to a white girl. |
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Mariella713
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| Mariella713 wrote: |
"Even if there had been convergence of a pale version of the parents' genes, there would have to be some form of white ancestry on both sides for the baby to look this way."
No s**t. The parents are Nigerian - quite a few Nigerians have white ancestary somewhere down the line. They even have pure white Nigerians living in the Akwa Ibom/Delta area. |
Yes, but are they actually white as in not Albino? As I recall, the rate of albinism is actually highest in Africa. |
Yes, they are white, not Albino. |
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acoustics28
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah, i think i agree with the albino theory. i have read that albino crows are colored white so it would a big possibility for us. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| acoustics28 wrote: |
| yeah, i think i agree with the albino theory. i have read that albino crows are colored white so it would a big possibility for us. |
so you disagree with the physicians and geneticists?
You also disagree with Prof. Sykes?
Please tell us why you think the child is albino. |
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Mariella713
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| acoustics28 wrote: |
| yeah, i think i agree with the albino theory. i have read that albino crows are colored white so it would a big possibility for us. |
Oh please. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| acoustics28 wrote: |
| yeah, i think i agree with the albino theory. i have read that albino crows are colored white so it would a big possibility for us. |
so you disagree with the physicians and geneticists?
You also disagree with Prof. Sykes?
Please tell us why you think the child is albino. |
Come on, rec'time! You even quoted it: it's the white crows, man! |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
Well, I guess there are two possibilities.
First, somewhere in their ancestry, there were some caucasian people involved. But given that it appears the couple or their recent ancestry is only recently from Africa, this must be exceedingly unusual.
Second, this could be an incredibly rare mutation that causes a black person's baby to have the pigmentation of a caucasian without actually being albino. Possibly, this is how caucasian people originally came into existence. |
There's another possibility I'd be investigating if I were the 'father'. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
Well, I guess there are two possibilities.
First, somewhere in their ancestry, there were some caucasian people involved. But given that it appears the couple or their recent ancestry is only recently from Africa, this must be exceedingly unusual.
Second, this could be an incredibly rare mutation that causes a black person's baby to have the pigmentation of a caucasian without actually being albino. Possibly, this is how caucasian people originally came into existence. |
I have read somewhere that there is some Caucasian genes among some West Africans. That makes sense. There are Caucasians in North Africa.
Also, Muslims from the Middle East came and probably converted some of the Muslims in Nigeria.
In more recent times, about 1000 CE, interactions between black people and Arabs resulted in the incorporation of extensive Arabic vocabulary into Swahili, which became a useful lingua franca for merchants. Some of this linguistic exchange occurred as part of the slave trade; the history of Islam and slavery shows that the major juristic schools traditionally accepted the institution of slavery.[27] As a result, Arab influence spread along the east coast of Africa and to some extent into the interior (see East Africa). Timbuktu was a trading outpost that linked west Africa with Berber, Arab, and Jewish traders throughout the Arab World. As a result of these interactions many Arab people in the Middle East have black ancestry and many black people on the east coast of Africa and along the Sahara have Arab ancestry.[28]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people
[Granted, Arabs tend to be more Mediterranean looking, there are definitely many who are blonde and have blue eyes especially from
Syria and Lebanon and Kurdish Muslims, and the Berbers from Tripoli who would have mixed to some extent with people who converted to Islam. I doubt this is from Britisih, European mixing in Nigeria. That was unheard of, but not Caucasian Muslims mixing with black people.] |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Unheard of ? Whenever you have men stuck on ships for months, then let them go ashore after scrubbing decks and being keel-hauled, they'll bang every woman that will have them 
Slavery was part of Weast Africa, but not all of it. Regular trading, prostitution, or just mixing with the locals happened everywhere - look at South/Central America, the Spanish had a good time there and even if you read their diaries from the 16th century, they always comment on the women |
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NovaKart
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| If it's genetic my guess would be it comes from the colonial days. I wouldn't be suprised if some white men had a secret black mistress. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I would be very surprised if a black woman could not remember giving birth to a white girl. |
You'd be surprised, with raging hormones, hours of labour, no sleep, lots of pain, many women are in another world when they give birth. And that's without drugs. With drugs, she'd be seeing rainbows.  Plus, babies are often whisked away right afterwards.
Anyways, where are the photos with the baby's eyes open? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| travel zen wrote: |
Unheard of ? Whenever you have men stuck on ships for months, then let them go ashore after scrubbing decks and being keel-hauled, they'll bang every woman that will have them
Slavery was part of Weast Africa, but not all of it. Regular trading, prostitution, or just mixing with the locals happened everywhere - look at South/Central America, the Spanish had a good time there and even if you read their diaries from the 16th century, they always comment on the women |
In the case of West Africa, there were some English people who obviously lived there, and Nigeria, as I said earlier, had contact with Caucasians from North Africa and the Middle East, and people from the Lebanon and Syria are part of the Nigerian population. I am not sure this is simply a mutation. It's possible, or it could be some ancestry from way back that manifested itself. The man did say his mother was lighter than your average Nigerian. Somewhere in his mother's ancestry there could be a white person. Some Nigerian woman could have been impregnated by a white male and the mixed child would have married someone else. I have always know that some parts of Africa had people who were not so black. This is not so shocking to me, but this is interesting.
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/07/21/nigerian-couple%E2%80%99s-white-baby-for-genetic-tests/
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But there are curiosities. Ben�s mother Amebo, 70, is unusual in having blue eyes. |
It appears that there was not simply a mutation at play but also
a mutation at play with someone who did have appreciable Caucasian genes. Anyway, I did read that in parts of West Africa, many of the Africans do have some Caucasian genes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt8mQGu0b2g
This youtube video shows Africans with blue eyes. Someone on some forum said that some Nigerians can be seen with blue eyes without being bi-racial. That I don't know. I do know you can generally find blue eyes in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East. The couple are Igbo, and even if they deny white ancestry, it has to be there somewhere.
The Igbo are not a pure African black people. Some say they moved
westward from East Africa, that there is also some Jewish ancestry amongst them. I read of light-skinned Fulani and Ibos. This grandmother of this child is much fairer than the father.
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| If it's genetic my guess would be it comes from the colonial days. I wouldn't be suprised if some white men had a secret black mistress. |
Oh, they did. Some weren't even secret about it at all! Part of the reason some men went on those trips was for the "plunder" or to find wives. |
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