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CentralCali
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Tunnels under the DMZ, attacking the Blue House, etc.
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attacking the blue house? that didn't happen! |
I suggest you get yourself a history tome or two that actually does have the year 1968 in it.
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What stuff had that captain been doing for years? |
the Cheonan shot down one of the norths boats a couple years ago, and 2002 the south rammed a North Korean ship |
You asserted that it was the ship's captain who had done something to North Korea over the years. Did all of this stuff happen under the captaincy of the same individual or are you just making up stuff, like that bit about the incident in 1968 never happening? |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: |
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Itaewonguy- I respect you and I like your posts.
But I don't believe the Cheonan deserved to be sunk. The previous skirmishes in the West/ Yellow Sea were usually provoked by the North.
Usually when the North went head-to-head with the ROKN, they get their asses handed to them in an unflattering way. It took a cheap shot by using a torpedo to score a "victory".
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| what do they do? come on seriously, what have they done?? |
They also killed the wife of General Park Chung Hee. They were lucky nothing happened to them.
And they also blew up airliners in the 1980's.
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| American soldiers are the lowest of the low... |
Why not go a step further and say ALL soldiers, everywhere are the lowest of the low?
They might seem that way to you, but when they leave the service, they have a whole agency ready to serve them from giving them free medical care for the rest of their lives to funding their schooling and give them money for a house and business- what do you get?
I was a soldier for 6 years (1988-1994), before I got out I got my BA in public administration and when I got out, I took the GRE and got a high enough score to get into Columbia University- do I have a low IQ?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be an English teacher. I was one from 1997 to 2003. It was so easy "a caveman can do it". I honestly don't know why you put more importance on being an English teacher when all it is, is mere windowdressing. I honestly think a person is dumbing themselves down by taking such a job.
The only thing people here are talking about are the infantrymen. But there are more jobs than that in the US Army and you need a higher than average GT score to be trained in them.
As for soldiers acting stupid when they party- So do most frat boys who go partying on Friday and Saturday nights. Whats the difference? |
So now you now admit that the Cheonan was sunk by the Norks and not by a wayward seamine left over from the Korean war? Remember the original thread about the Cheonan where you, mc-jc, posted that it was a seamine that did the damage and not a nork torpedo. You went on to talk about how you were privy to this top secret information early on because you were so special, and that you had close relationships with the top brass, and that mere Englsih teachers were ignorant because we didnt know who you knew, and English teachers werent movers and shakers in the world of international relations such as yourself. Remember that? What happened with your super secret info? In the future spare us your wrong information. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Itaewonguy- I respect you and I like your posts.
But I don't believe the Cheonan deserved to be sunk. The previous skirmishes in the West/ Yellow Sea were usually provoked by the North.
Usually when the North went head-to-head with the ROKN, they get their asses handed to them in an unflattering way. It took a cheap shot by using a torpedo to score a "victory".
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| what do they do? come on seriously, what have they done?? |
They also killed the wife of General Park Chung Hee. They were lucky nothing happened to them.
And they also blew up airliners in the 1980's.
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| American soldiers are the lowest of the low... |
Why not go a step further and say ALL soldiers, everywhere are the lowest of the low?
They might seem that way to you, but when they leave the service, they have a whole agency ready to serve them from giving them free medical care for the rest of their lives to funding their schooling and give them money for a house and business- what do you get?
I was a soldier for 6 years (1988-1994), before I got out I got my BA in public administration and when I got out, I took the GRE and got a high enough score to get into Columbia University- do I have a low IQ?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be an English teacher. I was one from 1997 to 2003. It was so easy "a caveman can do it". I honestly don't know why you put more importance on being an English teacher when all it is, is mere windowdressing. I honestly think a person is dumbing themselves down by taking such a job.
The only thing people here are talking about are the infantrymen. But there are more jobs than that in the US Army and you need a higher than average GT score to be trained in them.
As for soldiers acting stupid when they party- So do most frat boys who go partying on Friday and Saturday nights. Whats the difference? |
Are you going to mention how you went to Columbia in every single thread? I have read many of your posts, and honestly, you make some glaring and very embarrassing English usage mistakes. I'm not talking typos or mispellings- we are talking Tysonesque errors. I hope that is not indicative of the typical Columbia grad.
And you keep harping on the benefits US GIs get: "they are not losers or killers, they get great bennies including college paid for. What do you get English teacher?" For starters we get the peace of mind of not having killed innocent people. Yes there are other jobs in the army: doctors, nurses, engineers. But they are there to support the killers. Without the infantry, there is no army. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:48 am Post subject: |
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"they get great bennies "
This is Australian or British slang - not American English. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:47 am Post subject: |
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And the award for most moronic, insufferable ladyboy twerp on Dave's ESL goes to....
DD!
Your prize is a lifetime of involuntary celibacy (or possible long-term relationship with a granola warpig) and bitterness cushioned by the false notion that "in a perfect world", people would recognize you for your "merits"....
Punk.
Now shut the hell up. |
So lets guess 1. you are an american
2. you probably did military service
3. you support your country terrorizing other nations.
Wow you call someone an idiot that supports people being peaceful to each other and is against a regime that is willing to do anything to secure areas for economic gain.
I watched an American general on T.V. clearly state the the role of the U.S. military is to secure the world so america can set up economic situations that are beneficial to the U.S.
Kind of funny that the average yank doesnt get to benefit from the wars you wage. It like you guys pay for them in tax dollars so your rich can get richer and more powerful and little gets to the people. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: |
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attacking the blue house? that didn't happen! |
I suggest you get yourself a history tome or two that actually does have the year 1968 in it.
the 2nd Korean war.... ok. I thought you meant they tried to attack only the blue house recently
anyway it's irrelevant because you are bringing up stuff from 40 years ago!
you got anything recent like lets say.. ohhh I don't know.. like when I was ALIVE!
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What stuff had that captain been doing for years? |
the Cheonan shot down one of the norths boats a couple years ago, and 2002 the south rammed a North Korean ship |
You asserted that it was the ship's captain who had done something to North Korea over the years. Did all of this stuff happen under the captaincy of the same individual or are you just making up stuff, like that bit about the incident in 1968 never happening? |
were you not following the news!?
1968 hahaaah ok...... I'm curious , I mean if you want to go back to the 60's and illegal operations and all...lets discuss the My Lai Massacre...
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Soldiers went berserk, gunning down unarmed men, women, children and babies. Families which huddled together for safety in huts or bunkers were shown no mercy. Those who emerged with hands held high were murdered. ... Elsewhere in the village, other atrocities were in progress. Women were gang raped; Vietnamese who had bowed to greet the Americans were beaten with fists and tortured, clubbed with rifle butts and stabbed with bayonets. Some victims were mutilated with the signature "C Company" carved into the chest. By late morning word had got back to higher authorities and a cease-fire was ordered. My Lai was in a state of carnage. Bodies were strewn through the village.
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I would say that most people in our company didn't consider the Vietnamese human.
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you see, the North Koreans were fighting a Political war which concerned them, and they went for the man in charge! they went to take out PARK
Americans kill innocent people! they always have, they keep doing it..
NAGASAKI, VIETNAM with the NAPAM, NO GUN RI, ETC ETC ETC
even today with the invasion of IRAQ and now the war in afganistan!
It's like America can do what ever they want.. but other countries may not! yeah ok cali! what ever...
like I said.. what has the North Koreans done recently which is anywhere as illegal as what THE USA are doing!??? |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| So now you now admit that the Cheonan was sunk by the Norks and not by a wayward seamine left over from the Korean war? Remember the original thread about the Cheonan where you, mc-jc, posted that it was a seamine that did the damage and not a nork torpedo. You went on to talk about how you were privy to this top secret information early on because you were so special, and that you had close relationships with the top brass, and that mere Englsih teachers were ignorant because we didnt know who you knew, and English teachers werent movers and shakers in the world of international relations such as yourself. Remember that? What happened with your super secret info? In the future spare us your wrong information. |
I was not wrong about the assumption since I was in the meeting with General Sharp and other department heads as soon as the ship sunk in the West/ Yellow Sea. We were shown detailed maps of where ordinance was laid by North Korea and the original stance of USFK at the time was that it was a sea mine planted near the island.
I was only conveying what was told to me at that meeting since I was called back to Korea from a logistics meeting in Japan.
It was only after the piece of shrapnel was found did it become apparent that it was indeed a torpedo. But everyone in the KMoD and USFK assumed that it was sea mine at the time and it was reported that way for several days prior to the salvage operation- My question was, who told you before it was reported to the news that a suspected mine destroyed the ship.
As for my education- what's it to you?
There are all these assumptions that soldiers are these uneducated morons who have no future- but the truth is, they have a better chance of making something of themselves than you. If you think you can do better than me or others, I challenge you to go home and try. But we both know that the only reason you are talking like this is because you are in Korea and this is the only place you could ever make something of yourself.
I rose through the ranks and even got my degree and there are many more like me who are doing or who did the same thing I did.
Do you have a chance to go on and study for your Masters in a classroom with a real professor? No. Your only option is to study or go through a Korean university (whose degrees are not worth the paper they're printed on).
I do get a hint of jealousy based on what I did and what information I provided. I just provided what I know and knew and if you don't agree with it, that's your choice in the matter.
The difference between me and you is that I don't turn every thread into a personal attack. If I have a problem with a person, I have the decency to write a PM to talk the discrepancy.
You're not hurting me by writing insults on an anonymous message board and I'm not going to stop posting. And by making personal attacks only make you look small.
Now please, stay on topic and if you want to make a personal attack on me, send it to my PM box like a civilized human being.
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| what has the North Koreans done recently which is anywhere as illegal as what THE USA are doing!??? |
- Selling illicit drugs in Australia, Japan, China, New Zealand and Fiji.
- Selling arms to groups like the Taliban as well as using Iran, Syria and Yemen as conduits to funnel their arms to groups in Yemen, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan and Egypt.
- Printing counterfeit money that is distributed through their banks to pay for transactions.
- Using diplomatic pouches to bypass the international embargo on luxury items.
All of these are recent illicit acts committed by North Korea.
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| Americans kill innocent people! they always have, they keep doing it... NAGASAKI |
The day Japan surrendered (August 15th), Korea also gained independence after 35 years of colonial rule. If it were not for the use of the atomic bomb, every Korean would be speaking Japanese now and many of the beautiful women would be named Hatomi, not Hae jin  |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: |
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"they get great bennies "
This is Australian or British slang - not American English. |
It's definitely slang in the US military in both the Army and the Navy and has been for years. |
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rickpidero
Joined: 03 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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You should check this book out if you want facts...
...and, not just spouting off non-sense. |
quoting a book from an author who has never even stepped into North Korea and is biased against the North as a South Korean is not facts!
that has nothing to do with what has the north Koreans done!
which I asked you..
thats just information he has received from South Korean doctrine!
ask any South Korean over the age of 35 what they learned in School about North Korea!
I'm not saying the North is a great place! of course its not..
but was Russia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia, china any better???
you don't hear about North Korea sending 7 million people into gas chambers, or 2 million people tortured and murdered at S21 and the killing fields!
sure they have prisoners, so do the Russians! and the chinese!
and the Americans are guilty of PLENTY!!
The North have never attacked anyone since 1950.. and that was Koreans vs Koreans! more of a political motivated war.. kind of like the civil war!
but then The Americans felt like they needed to get involved.. I guess they thought well we have Japan lets take Korean too.. $$$
now its a huge deal, because America needs to justify why they are there!
and why they stay in that region! so they make shit up!
and hey.. Let's thanks that they did help the south.. or we wouldn't be here now.. well probably..
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| They have pretended the world hasn't changed since the 50's. Cold War is over, but they have the same policies. Communism fell, their leaders wanted to keep control, so they kept running the show the same, but made up new excuses why it need to be that way. They brain wash their citizens, they take the countries money, spend lavishly, and let their people starve. They've kidnapped people from the South for entertainment, they've sent assassins into the ROK, they attacked ROK leaders in SE Asia. |
YES, you are right.. they have done some things in the past!
COLD WAR any better??
think we are still uncovering spies from china and russia and the middleeast in American intelligence organizations.. someone had better tell them the war is over...
The North have a policy and an ideology which we do not agree with.. but the dear leader feels is clean and good for the people.. I mean America has their religion too.. NO GAY MARRIAGE! NO FREE HEALTHCARE!
HIGH TAX! etc etc etc etc.... China has theres... the middle east has theres.. talk about womens rights in the middle east..
we don't go bombing Nigeria or Saudi Arabia do we?? the way they treat women and their people they deserve to be attacked..
again.. THE NORTH.. what have they done lately?
kidnapping foreigners, tv stars, etc etc.. IT WAS COLD WAR times..
you are quoting the 70.s and 80.s...
The Russians, Chinese, Americans have all kidnapped people, gathered intel, tortured prisoners!
The USA have blood on their hands too... |
The author is actually American (which probably doesn't help my cause), but he is critical of ROK and USA in it too. Really, if you are that interested in the subject you should check it out. It's not just another book spouting off South Korean doctrine, it uses DPRK doctrine exclusively.
You make some valid points, the US shouldn't be able to do whatever the heck it wants. But, North Korea is living in the past, keeping the same old stance, they are a dinosaur- the world doesn't work that way any more. No single nation made it that way, it just happened.
How do you not think the North is worse than the former Commy countries you mentioned? North Koreans cannot even leave their own country, the government waste all their money on ugly suits on the Dear Leader, and the people starve. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| what has the North Koreans done recently which is anywhere as illegal as what THE USA are doing!??? |
- Selling illicit drugs in Australia, Japan, China, New Zealand and Fiji.
- Selling arms to groups like the Taliban as well as using Iran, Syria and Yemen as conduits to funnel their arms to groups in Yemen, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan and Egypt.
- Printing counterfeit money that is distributed through their banks to pay for transactions.
- Using diplomatic pouches to bypass the international embargo on luxury items.
All of these are recent illicit acts committed by North Korea.
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I agree the North do conduct in Illegal business... BUT.. America is also guilty of this.. THE CIA for one is as corrupt as they come.
they sell drugs, weapons and other illegal commodities on the black market to fuel their operations and get certain board members rich..
I'm not sympathizing with the North.. I'm just saying they don't do anything worse than our countries or our own banks and other big businesses are doing..
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You make some valid points, the US shouldn't be able to do whatever the heck it wants. But, North Korea is living in the past, keeping the same old stance, they are a dinosaur- the world doesn't work that way any more. No single nation made it that way, it just happened.
How do you not think the North is worse than the former Commy countries you mentioned? North Koreans cannot even leave their own country, the government waste all their money on ugly suits on the Dear Leader, and the people starve. |
I agree with your points, of course the North needs to be liberated!
I'm just stating that the North Korean Government is not doing anything worse than our own governments are doing ...or have done..
if any nation needs to be brought up for war crimes.. the USA would be first up there... and I bet most of the world agrees with me...
I want to see the North Koreans freed. but like North Korea said.. It wont happen with the US Military on the borders! The US should back off leave the South.. and leave the diplomatic relations to the pure blooded Koreans. I mean both nations deep down believe we are imperialists!
I think if the Americans left. the south would end up sorting it out on their own.. but with the Americans at the table telling how it must be done! the Norks just get up and walk out of the room and SAY" F@#K YOU. we won't bow down to your demands"..
fair enough too..
North Koreans are Koreans! they are no different to your boss or that ajossi on the street..... how well do you know Korean old guys??? stubborn as F@#K~
I believe if the Americans left Korea and just stayed in OKINAWA and GUAM and left the political diplomacy to the two Koreans and didn't get involved politically anymore the Koreans would resolve the issue..
they haven't have a chance to sort it out on their own terms, because for the past 60 years THE US government have been at every meeting and chairing every meeting..
Of course the Americans will just be sitting a few thousand miles away for protection.. but they wont be involved in the political side of it anymore..
the longer the Americans stay here and sit at the head of the table.. the longer the North Koreans will remain stubborn!
that's just my opinion... |
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conrad2
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| So now you now admit that the Cheonan was sunk by the Norks and not by a wayward seamine left over from the Korean war? Remember the original thread about the Cheonan where you, mc-jc, posted that it was a seamine that did the damage and not a nork torpedo. You went on to talk about how you were privy to this top secret information early on because you were so special, and that you had close relationships with the top brass, and that mere Englsih teachers were ignorant because we didnt know who you knew, and English teachers werent movers and shakers in the world of international relations such as yourself. Remember that? What happened with your super secret info? In the future spare us your wrong information. |
I was not wrong about the assumption since I was in the meeting with General Sharp and other department heads as soon as the ship sunk in the West/ Yellow Sea. We were shown detailed maps of where ordinance was laid by North Korea and the original stance of USFK at the time was that it was a sea mine planted near the island.
I was only conveying what was told to me at that meeting since I was called back to Korea from a logistics meeting in Japan.
It was only after the piece of shrapnel was found did it become apparent that it was indeed a torpedo. But everyone in the KMoD and USFK assumed that it was sea mine at the time and it was reported that way for several days prior to the salvage operation- My question was, who told you before it was reported to the news that a suspected mine destroyed the ship.
As for my education- what's it to you?
There are all these assumptions that soldiers are these uneducated morons who have no future- but the truth is, they have a better chance of making something of themselves than you. If you think you can do better than me or others, I challenge you to go home and try. But we both know that the only reason you are talking like this is because you are in Korea and this is the only place you could ever make something of yourself.
I rose through the ranks and even got my degree and there are many more like me who are doing or who did the same thing I did.
Do you have a chance to go on and study for your Masters in a classroom with a real professor? No. Your only option is to study or go through a Korean university (whose degrees are not worth the paper they're printed on).
I do get a hint of jealousy based on what I did and what information I provided. I just provided what I know and knew and if you don't agree with it, that's your choice in the matter.
The difference between me and you is that I don't turn every thread into a personal attack. If I have a problem with a person, I have the decency to write a PM to talk the discrepancy.
You're not hurting me by writing insults on an anonymous message board and I'm not going to stop posting. And by making personal attacks only make you look small.
Now please, stay on topic and if you want to make a personal attack on me, send it to my PM box like a civilized human being.
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It's too bad that you feel personally attacked. But when you mention about going to Columbia constantly and your writing and logic don't demonstrate an Ivy League education, you open yourself to criticism. You are the one throwing out unsubstantiated attacks by writing that I cant even go to grad school. What are you basing that on?
Your whole thesis that soldiers have great benefits and opportunities for advancement while teachers have nothing and are jealous of solidiers has one major glaring flaw: I can join the army tomorrow if I wanted as I meet the one criterion,a heartbeat . I could have joined the army out of high school. Yet despite these wonderful benefits you mention, I chose not to. And yet over 90% of the US Army couldnt be English teachers in Korea because they dont have a 4 year degree. |
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rollo
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| Great thread!! Op gets messed with by drunk. Who happens to be a marine. people get offended and defensive when another poster points out that women like soldiers better. tough physically fit young men with secure jobs and a touch of the bad boy compared to guys who spend their days playing hangman and nights watching Battlestar Galactica.. D.D. wins an award!!!! Congrats, well deserved. . Just a great thread. As for why the soldiers are in Korea. China ,Japan, and Korea want them in Korea. Prevents regional arms race. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| are the one throwing out unsubstantiated attacks by writing that I cant even go to grad school. What are you basing that on? |
Your options are limited to either studying online or studying at a Korean university. A soldier has access to real American professors in actual classrooms at their education centers where they could study for a degree. Also, while they serve, it's 100% free- free tuition, no fees and free books. You would have to get financial aid and pay for everything. Also standardized tests like the GRE and PRAXIS I and II are free too.
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| Your whole thesis that soldiers have great benefits and opportunities for advancement while teachers have nothing and are jealous of solidiers has one major glaring flaw: I can join the army tomorrow if I wanted as I meet the one criterion,a heartbeat . I could have joined the army out of high school. Yet despite these wonderful benefits you mention, I chose not to. And yet over 90% of the US Army couldnt be English teachers in Korea because they dont have a 4 year degree. |
There is one mistake in that logic- some soldiers here DO teach English on a part-time basis. The criteria you mention about being a soldier is also the same criteria for English teachers; having a heartbeat and being able to speak English. The degree requirement is an immigration requirement. You need to know there are people in Korea who don't hold any degree and still teach English. If immigration and schools only let people with degrees teach, there would be a severe shortage of teachers in Korea. But as you can see, there isn't a shortage.
I could quit my job tomorrow and return to Korea to be an English teacher (and the way I write is not a reflection of my education or intellect), but I chose to stay in my career field.
If teaching English was such a prestigious job, then why is there the TaLK program where people with only a few years of college are allowed to teach? Not a full degree as you have stated.
Again, if you want to attack me, send it in a PM. Otherwise, thank you for staying on topic. |
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conrad2
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Great thread!! Op gets messed with by drunk. Who happens to be a marine. people get offended and defensive when another poster points out that women like soldiers better. tough physically fit young men with secure jobs and a touch of the bad boy compared to guys who spend their days playing hangman and nights watching Battlestar Galactica.. D.D. wins an award!!!! Congrats, well deserved. . Just a great thread. As for why the soldiers are in Korea. China ,Japan, and Korea want them in Korea. Prevents regional arms race. |
You do realize that currently the US soldier is probably the most hated demographic on the planet, don't you? |
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conrad2
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| So the soldier hunting for Bin Laden and dodging rocket propelled grenades in Afghanistan is able to take a few classes at night right after chow time? And these grad school programs- are they at all selective or do they just admit any and all applicants? |
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