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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| are the one throwing out unsubstantiated attacks by writing that I cant even go to grad school. What are you basing that on? |
Your options are limited to either studying online or studying at a Korean university. A soldier has access to real American professors in actual classrooms at their education centers where they could study for a degree. |
I completely agree with a lot of your responses, but what university are they studying with? A soldier might be able to study with real professors but, unless it's a good university, it's no better or no worse than studying at one of the better Korean universities (most of which give pretty generous scholarships to foreigners). |
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rickpidero
Joined: 03 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| what has the North Koreans done recently which is anywhere as illegal as what THE USA are doing!??? |
- Selling illicit drugs in Australia, Japan, China, New Zealand and Fiji.
- Selling arms to groups like the Taliban as well as using Iran, Syria and Yemen as conduits to funnel their arms to groups in Yemen, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan and Egypt.
- Printing counterfeit money that is distributed through their banks to pay for transactions.
- Using diplomatic pouches to bypass the international embargo on luxury items.
All of these are recent illicit acts committed by North Korea.
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I agree the North do conduct in Illegal business... BUT.. America is also guilty of this.. THE CIA for one is as corrupt as they come.
they sell drugs, weapons and other illegal commodities on the black market to fuel their operations and get certain board members rich..
I'm not sympathizing with the North.. I'm just saying they don't do anything worse than our countries or our own banks and other big businesses are doing..
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You make some valid points, the US shouldn't be able to do whatever the heck it wants. But, North Korea is living in the past, keeping the same old stance, they are a dinosaur- the world doesn't work that way any more. No single nation made it that way, it just happened.
How do you not think the North is worse than the former Commy countries you mentioned? North Koreans cannot even leave their own country, the government waste all their money on ugly suits on the Dear Leader, and the people starve. |
I agree with your points, of course the North needs to be liberated!
I'm just stating that the North Korean Government is not doing anything worse than our own governments are doing ...or have done..
if any nation needs to be brought up for war crimes.. the USA would be first up there... and I bet most of the world agrees with me...
I want to see the North Koreans freed. but like North Korea said.. It wont happen with the US Military on the borders! The US should back off leave the South.. and leave the diplomatic relations to the pure blooded Koreans. I mean both nations deep down believe we are imperialists!
I think if the Americans left. the south would end up sorting it out on their own.. but with the Americans at the table telling how it must be done! the Norks just get up and walk out of the room and SAY" F@#K YOU. we won't bow down to your demands"..
fair enough too..
North Koreans are Koreans! they are no different to your boss or that ajossi on the street..... how well do you know Korean old guys??? stubborn as F@#K~
I believe if the Americans left Korea and just stayed in OKINAWA and GUAM and left the political diplomacy to the two Koreans and didn't get involved politically anymore the Koreans would resolve the issue..
they haven't have a chance to sort it out on their own terms, because for the past 60 years THE US government have been at every meeting and chairing every meeting..
Of course the Americans will just be sitting a few thousand miles away for protection.. but they wont be involved in the political side of it anymore..
the longer the Americans stay here and sit at the head of the table.. the longer the North Koreans will remain stubborn!
that's just my opinion... |
I think we found a nice middle ground. Nice civil debate. (see they can happen on Daves)
Respect. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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we should make a list of couses for American soldiers.
1. How to drop a bomb and not kill too many innocent people 101.
2. How to not look too supicious guarding the poppy fields.
3. How to help build a pipeline to smuggle out oil.
4. How to be a douch bag in a Korean casino.
5. How to cover up for your mates after the do nasty stuff.
6. How to read bambi in less than 3 days.
7. Grits are not the only thing for breakfast.
I am sure there is more. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I completely agree with a lot of your responses, but what university are they studying with? A soldier might be able to study with real professors but, unless it's a good university, it's no better or no worse than studying at one of the better Korean universities (most of which give pretty generous scholarships to foreigners). |
The university in which a soldier can enroll in offer accedited degrees. These degree programs mix new knowledge with the experience they already have- basically making them more marketable.
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| So the soldier hunting for Bin Laden and dodging rocket propelled grenades in Afghanistan is able to take a few classes at night right after chow time? And these grad school programs- are they at all selective or do they just admit any and all applicants? |
Exactly. They are able to take classes that fit around their schedule and the times for the classes are usually at night and on weekends.
Are they selective? Was your alma mater selective? Most state universities aren't.
I can say mine was though.
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| we should make a list of couses for American soldiers. |
I got some ideas for courses for English teachers while they're working in "Corea";
- Smuggling marijuana 201
- Southeast Asian Pedophilia
- How to seduce children using candy
- How to pass a drug test
- Negotiating strategies for dummies
- Assertiveness training
- How to pull a midnight run
- Whining with style
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| You do realize that currently the US soldier is probably the most hated demographic on the planet, don't you? |
The last time I checked, many countries like Vietnam and Thailand are following Korea's lead in making their teachers go through drug tests and background checks. Even Yemen, which is fighting a civil war on both ends of the country, are requesting that English teachers go through drug screening and criminal background checks.
What does that say about English teachers these days? |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I completely agree with a lot of your responses, but what university are they studying with? A soldier might be able to study with real professors but, unless it's a good university, it's no better or no worse than studying at one of the better Korean universities (most of which give pretty generous scholarships to foreigners). |
The university in which a soldier can enroll in offer accedited degrees. These degree programs mix new knowledge with the experience they already have- basically making them more marketable.
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| So the soldier hunting for Bin Laden and dodging rocket propelled grenades in Afghanistan is able to take a few classes at night right after chow time? And these grad school programs- are they at all selective or do they just admit any and all applicants? |
Exactly. They are able to take classes that fit around their schedule and the times for the classes are usually at night and on weekends.
Are they selective? Was your alma mater selective? Most state universities aren't.
I can say mine was though.
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| we should make a list of couses for American soldiers. |
I got some ideas for courses for English teachers while they're working in "Corea";
- Smuggling marijuana 201
- Southeast Asian Pedophilia
- How to seduce children using candy
- How to pass a drug test
- Negotiating strategies for dummies
- Assertiveness training
- How to pull a midnight run
- Whining with style
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| You do realize that currently the US soldier is probably the most hated demographic on the planet, don't you? |
The last time I checked, many countries like Vietnam and Thailand are following Korea's lead in making their teachers go through drug tests and background checks. Even Yemen, which is fighting a civil war on both ends of the country, are requesting that English teachers go through drug screening and criminal background checks.
What does that say about English teachers these days? |
So Asian countries are now requiring back ground checks for people who work with kids. What that says is that these Asian countries have entered the 21st century and apply the same standards that all western countries do for its teachers. Good for them.
Yet the US army still has 17% of its force without high school diplomas. The US forces have dratsically cut it minimum aptitude requirements since 9-11. Even though they have greatly beefed up benefits they stiil cant meet recruitment numbers. They now let in convicted felons, rapists, they have "illicit drug waivers" for new recruits and even let in Skin heads and other gang members. They visit prisons looking for new recruits. Care to discuss the rampant gang banging that goes on in the military ranks? |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Yet the US army still has 17% of its force without high school diplomas. The US forces have dratsically cut it minimum aptitude requirements since 9-11. Even though they have greatly beefed up benefits they stiil cant meet recruitment numbers. They now let in convicted felons, rapists, they have "illicit drug waivers" for new recruits and even let in Skin heads and other gang members. They visit prisons looking for new recruits. Care to discuss the rampant gang banging that goes on in the military ranks? |
Are you sure it is going on now?
The shortfalls in recruitment went on during the worst of the insurgency in Iraq, when recruitment was down.
But the USARC has been able to meet or exceed recruiting goals for two straight years without resorting to educational waivers.
That 17% you are quote is several years old and doesn't reflect the recruiting realities now.
As for gangbanging- the military has passed regulations now that anyone suspected of gang affiliation is subject to arrest, confinement and dishonorable discharge from the Army. This was done after the murders in Haditha, which were found to be gang-related, sad to say. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Yet the US army still has 17% of its force without high school diplomas. The US forces have dratsically cut it minimum aptitude requirements since 9-11. Even though they have greatly beefed up benefits they stiil cant meet recruitment numbers. They now let in convicted felons, rapists, they have "illicit drug waivers" for new recruits and even let in Skin heads and other gang members. They visit prisons looking for new recruits. Care to discuss the rampant gang banging that goes on in the military ranks? |
Are you sure it is going on now?
The shortfalls in recruitment went on during the worst of the insurgency in Iraq, when recruitment was down.
But the USARC has been able to meet or exceed recruiting goals for two straight years without resorting to educational waivers.
That 17% you are quote is several years old and doesn't reflect the recruiting realities now.
As for gangbanging- the military has passed regulations now that anyone suspected of gang affiliation is subject to arrest, confinement and dishonorable discharge from the Army. This was done after the murders in Haditha, which were found to be gang-related, sad to say. |
In 2007 only 79% of army recruits had high school dilpomas and a full 20% needed criminal background waivers (including rapists and aggravated assault.) http://usmilitary.about.com/od/2008recruitingstatistics/a/september.htm
"Members of nearly every major street gang, including the Bloods, Crips, Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples, Hells Angels, Latin Kings, The 18th Street Gang, Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), Mexican Mafia, Nortenos, Surenos, Vice Lords, and various white supremacist groups, have been documented on military installations."
Thats awesome. Im so glad these gangsters will get dishonorable discharges from the army. Lets hope the army catches them all. |
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Epik_Teacher
Joined: 28 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:57 am Post subject: |
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I don't know about anyone else, but I seldom go to the Itewon. Only when I'm shopping for specific things like shoes. I spent 10 years active and 5 years in the National Guard. Got out in time before Gulf War I. Bunch of guys from my unit went and got Gulf War Syndrome.
But to make a long story short, I didn't come halfway around the planet to hang out with a bunch of GI's. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Am I the only one out there who magically manages to get along with G.I.s, Koreans, AND English Teachers?
In person I'm a natural sycophant. And despite the downfalls of that, I find that it allows me to be patient with people's initial ugliness and allow me to get to know them and by the end of the night I can find the good in them.
Try it with Koreans/English Teachers/G.I.s
Most of the time these conflicts start because the other person can sense your disdain for them and more than that, has a good sense of what your weaknesses and failures are as well.
Anyone can be an unpleasant drunken moron. G.I.s start fights. English Teachers blather on with their asinine opinions and cultural condescension. Koreans force you to consumer way too much drink and don't know when to leave you alone and touch you inappropriately.
Believe it or not I'd almost rather deal with a 30 second brawl than two hours of some NET pontificating about American politics. And there are other times where its vice versa. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| In 2007 only 79% of army recruits had high school dilpomas and a full 20% needed criminal background waivers (including rapists and aggravated assault.) |
The information here is a little outdated.
Please do another search- here's what I have found;
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/19/Army-stops-issuing-drug-felony-waivers/UPI-27951240164494/
According to this and other sources, because of the economic downturn, more people are trying to join the military. Because the Army and other branches have been able to exceed their recruiting goals for FY09, the number of approved waivers for felonies and drug charges has gone down.
Then because of a brutal gang-related hazing ritual in Germany, HQDA issued a directive requiring soldiers with gang affiliation to be arrested and detained for their affiliations and they could be confined for a period of up to 5 years if convicted, a dishonorable discharge and forfeiture of all pay and allowances.
All I have to say is, if you are hassled by a soldier anywhere "downrange", call the MPs. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| If you're genuinely interested in how members of the military community may continue their education, feel free to contact the Education Center. Remember that the Ed Center also assists members with online/distance programs for both undergraduate and graduate programs. Click on the links at the bottom of the page to see what the admissions requirements are for those institutions. Many other institutions have programs that they tailor to the distance student's circumstances. |
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